Joey B vs Andy vibe

[Shake n Blake]

(12-30-2021, 04:15 AM)Roland Wrote: You're quoting sources that only confirm my position.   Dalton had access to a playbook via Jordan Palmer.  It wasn't unveiled to the entire offensive unit until training camp.   The article also affirms that Dalton had the benefit of Zimmer's defense, a vastly better offensive line, and a lot of veteran leaders like Whitworth, Peko, Williams, and Crocker.


Nope, what I said was absolutely correct and that included the fact that Dalton had an impressive start for a rookie.  But as I said, he had the benefit of a full preseason and a veteran team that was already in position to win.  You're arguing that OTAs are more important than a full preseason, an offensive line that can keep their QB upright for more than 2 seconds, and a defense that can keep games within reach for "a timing and rhythm quarterback."  

Even the story you cite says it: Andy Dalton was no Carson Palmer.  Joe Burrow is all that and a bag of chips.

I'm not even comparing the two. Joe Burrow is the far better QB.

I'm just saying it's ridiculous and revisionist history to pretend Dalton didn't face extra adversity that off-season. The entire offense (including several rookies) had to learn the offense on the fly, not being fully introduced to the playbook until August, while missing many off-season activities.

Veteran presence doesn't help much when the veterans don't know the offense.

My article confirms MY stance, which is that Dalton barely had access to a playbook, didn't possess one of his own until well after the draft, and even if he had one at some point before preseason, most of his teammates did NOT...which still = bad news for Dalton.

This has gotten embarrassing. I'm done here.