Dysfunction in Cleveland

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(01-07-2022, 12:15 PM)motoarch Wrote: Is he?




Career (first 4 years)

61.6
14,125
92
56
87.8


this season

60.5
3,010
17
13
83.1




In todays NFL those aren't good numbers.  They'er okay for a middle of the pack starter.  His number for this season are on the wrong side of middle of the pack.  Dalton was better than that (not by a lot but better) and he was the poster boy for 'eeh'.


 He's serviceable...ish.  With all the talent on that team there really isn't an excuse for how bad they've been and someone needs to take the blame for that and he is the weakest link.  Can you win with him?  Well its year 5 and they havent lived up to any of the hype of what they were suppose to

He has had two good seasons with two bad ones. The Andy Dalton comparison is spot on.

(01-07-2022, 12:31 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Isn't that along the same lines of what many people said when Andy Dalton was our QB?  They often went on to say that in order to win AD needed a strong team around him to lead, and that despite losing so many times in the playoffs it was always "just one more OL, or one more weapon, or one more pass rusher and this team will be able to get over the hump".  The truth is starting to appear that Mayfield, just like Andy Dalton, is really just an average, capable starter in the NFL and will need to have the perfect supporting cast in order to lead a team to bigger things.

100% fair to call him Dalton but you can say that about 90% of the Franchise QBs in the NFL.  The Burrows and Rodgers of the world do not come along that often. 

I reject the whole premise that Dalton was the problem here. He lead a team to 5 straight playoffs and he got hurt while he was having an MVP season.  It wasn't his fault that the front office blew up the team after 2016 either.

Just because Dalton is a Camry and not the Ferrari that Burrow is doesn't mean he wasn't a good franchise QB for us.

(01-07-2022, 12:38 PM)KillerGoose Wrote: These two guys above me have already stated my thoughts but I believe that Baker is essentially the Cleveland Andy Dalton. If you give Baker some of the teams that Andy had, he will do well. However, he is unlikely to ever be the guy. Maybe he will put together an elite season like Dalton did in 2015 but it won't be the norm for him. 

And that's 90% of Franchise QBs in the NFL. Is a Kirk Cousins, Derek Carr, Jimmy Garoppolo, or Matt Ryan  really that major of an improvement over Baker? Theoretically they could trade for Wilson or Rodgers but that price tag would be immensely huge.

Also the QB draft prospects are not necessarily awesome this draft