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Congrats Tomlin
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(01-13-2022, 11:49 AM)JS-Steelerfan Wrote: I think anyone who makes this assumption vastly underestimates how hard it is to win a Super Bowl.  

In the 21st century, only two coaches have won more than one Super Bowl - Tom Coughlin and Bill Belichick.  Andy Reid and Pete Caroll are the only other coaches who (like Tomlin) have even been to the big game more than once in the 2000s.   

There have been 13 coaches in league history who have won more SBs than Tomlin, but by my count, only four of them accomplished the feat in the era of free agency and salary caps.  Winning multiple championships became much harder after those things were established.  

As Steeler fans who remember Chuck Noll and modern fans who have watched Bill Belichick, we are lulled into the fallacy of thinking that winning multiple Super Bowls is a realistic goal.  But in reality, it's a very rare feat, made even more rare over the last few decades.  Belichick's success is way more of an outlier than most give him credit for.  

I'm not saying that Tomlin is without his faults.  Far from it.  But if you're going to say that a better coach would have won more Super Bowls than he has, I'd argue that history suggests there aren't too many of those guys out there.  

I'm not saying it's "easy" I'm saying they would have done better.

And you bring up the reason why:  Tomlin has his faults...and they are the same he's had for years.

He's bad at clock management, making challenges, the teams start out slow more often than not, he makes poor choices at the coordinator positions, he claims to "not live in his fears" and then coaches from his fears, he's one of the few coaches that still doesn't have someone helping him with situational calls because he likes to "coach from his gut", the list goes on and on.  And without Ben bailing the team out time after time there wouldn't be this silly talk about "non-losing seasons".

Would Detroit or Cleveland or a dozen other teams LOVE to not have a losing season for a decade?  Sure.  Would they still be without a Super Bowl (and with 3 playoff wins) and happy about it after a decade?  Probably not.

I'm not in the "fire" camp...I'm in the realistically looking at it camp.  He has his faults and they never get better.  Win or lose he's the same coach.  He seems to get credit for the wins and excuses made for the losses simply because they win more than they lose....and I don't think those results are because he's a great coach.
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Congrats Tomlin - BengalYankee - 01-10-2022, 01:23 PM
RE: Congrats Tomlin - rfaulk34 - 01-10-2022, 10:46 PM
RE: Congrats Tomlin - BengalYankee - 01-11-2022, 04:24 AM
RE: Congrats Tomlin - kevin - 01-11-2022, 06:29 AM
RE: Congrats Tomlin - Wyche'sWarrior - 01-11-2022, 11:24 AM
RE: Congrats Tomlin - BengalYankee - 01-11-2022, 11:27 AM
RE: Congrats Tomlin - rfaulk34 - 01-11-2022, 12:25 PM
RE: Congrats Tomlin - BengalYankee - 01-11-2022, 12:58 PM
RE: Congrats Tomlin - StrictlyBiz - 01-11-2022, 12:04 PM
RE: Congrats Tomlin - rfaulk34 - 01-11-2022, 12:22 PM
RE: Congrats Tomlin - BengalYankee - 01-13-2022, 12:22 AM
RE: Congrats Tomlin - Wyche'sWarrior - 01-13-2022, 05:14 PM
RE: Congrats Tomlin - rfaulk34 - 01-13-2022, 06:23 PM
RE: Congrats Tomlin - Wyche'sWarrior - 01-13-2022, 06:41 PM
RE: Congrats Tomlin - GMDino - 01-11-2022, 12:28 PM
RE: Congrats Tomlin - BengalYankee - 01-12-2022, 07:35 PM
RE: Congrats Tomlin - GMDino - 01-13-2022, 10:44 AM
RE: Congrats Tomlin - JS-Steelerfan - 01-13-2022, 11:49 AM
RE: Congrats Tomlin - GMDino - 01-13-2022, 12:56 PM
RE: Congrats Tomlin - JS-Steelerfan - 01-13-2022, 01:27 PM
RE: Congrats Tomlin - GMDino - 01-13-2022, 03:47 PM
RE: Congrats Tomlin - SladeX - 01-20-2022, 09:11 AM
RE: Congrats Tomlin - GMDino - 01-20-2022, 10:03 AM
RE: Congrats Tomlin - BengalYankee - 01-16-2022, 06:13 AM
RE: Congrats Tomlin - GMDino - 01-16-2022, 11:02 AM
RE: Congrats Tomlin - Whatever - 01-09-2023, 03:48 PM
RE: Congrats Tomlin - BengalYankee - 01-16-2022, 05:54 AM
RE: Congrats Tomlin - XenoMorph - 01-11-2022, 02:20 PM
RE: Congrats Tomlin - michaelsean - 01-12-2022, 06:40 PM
RE: Congrats Tomlin - reuben.ahmed - 01-13-2022, 08:34 PM
RE: Congrats Tomlin - NotBigzo - 01-21-2022, 12:38 AM
RE: Congrats Tomlin - StrictlyBiz - 01-21-2022, 04:45 PM
RE: Congrats Tomlin - BengalYankee - 01-21-2022, 05:30 PM
RE: Congrats Tomlin - BengalYankee - 01-09-2023, 04:40 AM
RE: Congrats Tomlin - BengalYankee - 01-01-2024, 01:47 PM
RE: Congrats Tomlin - Wyche'sWarrior - 01-09-2023, 10:41 AM
RE: Congrats Tomlin - Whatever - 01-09-2023, 04:06 PM
RE: Congrats Tomlin - BengalYankee - 01-09-2023, 04:19 PM
RE: Congrats Tomlin - Whatever - 01-09-2023, 04:43 PM
RE: Congrats Tomlin - BengalYankee - 01-09-2023, 06:52 PM
RE: Congrats Tomlin - Wyche'sWarrior - 01-11-2023, 02:25 PM
RE: Congrats Tomlin - BengalYankee - 01-09-2023, 08:51 PM
RE: Congrats Tomlin - BengalYankee - 01-11-2023, 04:14 AM
RE: Congrats Tomlin - GMDino - 01-11-2023, 10:29 AM
RE: Congrats Tomlin - BengalYankee - 01-11-2023, 11:31 AM
RE: Congrats Tomlin - GMDino - 01-11-2023, 01:00 PM
RE: Congrats Tomlin - BengalYankee - 01-11-2023, 05:22 PM
RE: Congrats Tomlin - GMDino - 01-11-2023, 06:22 PM
RE: Congrats Tomlin - rfaulk34 - 01-11-2023, 12:27 PM
RE: Congrats Tomlin - BengalYankee - 01-12-2023, 10:24 PM
RE: Congrats Tomlin - TheLeonardLeap - 01-13-2023, 08:19 AM
RE: Congrats Tomlin - TheLeonardLeap - 01-13-2023, 12:18 PM
RE: Congrats Tom - JS-Steelerfan - 01-13-2023, 07:07 PM
RE: Congrats Tomlin - JS-Steelerfan - 01-14-2023, 10:20 AM
RE: Congrats Tomlin - GMDino - 01-14-2023, 01:16 PM
RE: Congrats Tomlin - Synric - 01-11-2023, 12:31 PM
RE: Congrats Tomlin - michaelsean - 01-11-2023, 12:38 PM
RE: Congrats Tomlin - StoneTheCrow - 01-11-2023, 12:40 PM
RE: Congrats Tomlin - TheLeonardLeap - 01-11-2023, 10:38 PM
RE: Congrats Tomlin - BengalYankee - 01-12-2023, 05:48 AM
RE: Congrats Tomlin - JS-Steelerfan - 01-12-2023, 11:45 AM
RE: Congrats Tomlin - michaelsean - 01-12-2023, 06:37 PM
RE: Congrats Tomlin - JS-Steelerfan - 01-12-2023, 07:54 PM
RE: Congrats Tomlin - michaelsean - 01-12-2023, 08:53 PM
RE: Congrats Tomlin - TheLeonardLeap - 01-17-2023, 05:15 AM
RE: Congrats Tomlin - 6andcounting - 01-16-2023, 05:08 PM
RE: Congrats Tomlin - GMDino - 01-15-2024, 10:10 PM
RE: Congrats Tomlin - michaelsean - 01-15-2024, 10:49 PM

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