State of our Union

[Dill]

(03-02-2022, 04:39 PM)basballguy Wrote: Where you say restrict others may say improve.  It's no secret one side heavily benefits from having relaxed voting laws.  It has nothing to do with being "Trump led".  Once you get past the flag waving nut jobs in Alabama, many conservatives would feel the same way regardless of who's primary on the ticket.  We shouldn't be making it easy for non citizens to vote in our elections.  

Efforts to link illegal voting to Dem electoral victories began before Trump took office, sure. But he ramped up that right wing narrative right after he won in 2016, claiming that 3-5 million illegals voted for Hillary, and that's why she won the popular vote. 38 Republican secretaries of state claimed there was no fraud in their states, and a commision set up by Trump to investigate voter fraud quietly folded after a year of forensic research produced nothing. 

It appears to be pretty hard for illegals to vote everywhere, including and especially Texas, and Trump's emphasis of that narrative has been central to the drive to "improve" voting by making it harder to exercise that fundamental right.

So Dems benefit from voting laws which make access easier, like more polling places and mail in ballots. Republican restrictions, on the other hand, don't just make it harder for non-citizens to vote (a non-existant problem), they make it harder for Americans to vote, especially when primarily Dem-voting demographics are targeted. 

But voter fraud is not the primary problem addressed in my post; rather it is election fraud--the Trump administration's efforts to steal the election out right have morphed into legislation designed to secure GOP control of state and national elections regardless of which side actually gets more votes. That ongoing election fraud has everything to do with Trump, whose bad behavior after he sicced a mob onto Congress continues today. He has led the charge to replace state SoS's in GOP states with people who, unlike the one in Georgia, WILL find the votes he needs. And as I mentioned before, the problem with the next election will not be voter fraud, but legislature-controlled election fraud, driven in part by Trump's baseless claim that Biden stole the election.  This is still the biggest problem facing the country right now--not energy dependence or the Ukraine war or inflation. 

(03-02-2022, 04:39 PM)basballguy Wrote: In Dallas you can get away with showing a utility bill as identification to vote.  That's just nonsense.  Over 2 million illegal immigrants crossed the border in 2021...numbers like that swing elections.  

I'm not going to get into voter fraud because that's one of those topics where no matter what side of the fence someone is on, they are not changing their mind.  

We have plenty of evidence the Trump team engaged in election fraud.

Do you have any reason, any evidence, to suggest two million illegal immigrants have ever swung an election in the US? Can you cite an election in which just 10 managed to cast illegal votes? 5? 

Final Note on the VF topic: Claiming "both sides" are "not changing their mind" frames the issue as if both sides are equally resistant to logic and evidence. They are not. One side won't change its mind because it won't ignore evidence; the other side won't change its mind because it ignores the evidence in favor of Trump truthiness.