Which Jail Do Transgender People Go To?

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(03-10-2022, 01:05 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I really hesitated to even make this side point as it's only adjacent to the main point.  But I have to say, this paragraph makes an excellent argument for why people should be housed according to their genitalia instead of their preferences.



Here's the thing.  Eventually the scenario you mention in the beginning off this paragraph will happen.  Prison/jail is not a restroom or locker room, you are forced to be there.  While you are there it is the state/county's duty to ensure your safety to the degree possible.  What I'm advancing doesn't discriminate against transgendered people as it fully allows those who have fully transitioned to be housed with the gender they identify as.  The problem, and we're seeing it advanced in Scotland right now (for those that don't know Scotland is "progressive" in ways that make the Berkeley area look conservative) is what do you then do with people who "identify" as male or female?  Do they have to prove it, can they change their mind?  Can they stay in men's prison for a few years, go to women's prison for a few more and then return to men's prison again?  After all, some people are gender fluid, right?

The whole thing has the easy potential to become a tangled mess with millions of exceptions.  Best to make a blanket policy based on hard facts.  You have male genitalia, you're housed with men, you have women's genitalia you're housed with women.  It doesn't get more fair and fact based than that.

They may be aesthetically similar arguments, but I think there's a fundamental difference between a preference to exclude someone and a preference to include someone or be included. No one takes the Klansmen's preference to keep black people out of restaurants as equally valid to a black person's preference to be allowed into a restaurant. The only thing that binds them is the term "preference. "

At the end of the day, I think you and I mostly agree here with the exception of maybe what boundaries must be crossed before a rare exception is made. There's already a very small percentage of trans people proportionate to cis people in prison, so where we differ may be as little as a fraction of a fraction of a percent of cases across the country.

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