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Roe vs Wade vs SCOTUS legitimacy
(05-18-2022, 11:25 AM)Sled21 Wrote: So much BS.....
If they IRS had a problem with Trump's tax returns, he'd be in prison.
The Iran Deal was a farce that allowed Iran to pursue nuclear ambitions
Trump sent Javelins, obama sent only non-lethal aid
NATO WAS strengthened by Trump calling out countries like Gemany who have not been paying their way publicly, and getting them to step up their contributions. 
I'm all for bombing Cartel's in Mexico. They killed over 100,000 people here in America last year alone. They deserve to be bombed. If Mexico doesn't like it, then they need to do something about it. We bombed cocaine labs in Columbia, I would say the cartels in Mexico are even more of a National Threat. 
Who gives a rat's about Kim going to some game or visiting other countries, he wasn't shooting off any missiles towards the Sea of Japan and stopped nuclear testing. Now he's back at it again.
January 6th... gimme a break.

I was actually hoping DeSantis would be at the top of the ticket, but seeing liberal's heads explode when Trump is re-elected will be so fun.

Wow!  YOu really have not done your own research on any of these issues. You are repeating what you are told by your favored politicians. Nothing in your posts beyond what they want you to "know." 

The IRS has to go through the courts before it can put people in prison. YOu know that Trump's tax records have been subpoenaed for investigation into criminal activities, right?

The IRan Deal required Iran to give up the weapons grade uranium it had already produced and stop producing it. Then it de-commissioned/dismantled thousands of centrifuges, keeping only the treaty minimum for peace time use. Then it allowed international inspectors to inspect its nuclear sites. Iran immediately went from being 6 weeks away from break out to at least a year, should they choose to make a bomb.  This was a victory for the "leftists" in Iran, the moderates and middle class who argued in favor of it because they want to re-integrate with the international community and end the Ayotollah/military control of policy.

Trump trashed the deal, giving the internal victory to the hard line anti-Americans and discrediting the moderates. Now the hard liners are in power, claiming they were right, that the U.S. cannot be trusted. The IRanians did try to comply with the deal for another two years, as did the other signatories. But now Iran is back to producing weapons grade uranium. That's squarely on Trump.

You've given me the impression you don't really know a lot about the deal, or the consequences for breaking it. But you trust what your politicians tell you about it. You don't have the knowledge to judge whether THEY know what they are talking about. And you don't understand how U.S. credibility--or lack thereof-- is linked to U.S. power. That's why you don't care that the U.S. united the five most powerful countries in the world and the EU to sign a treaty, which required the politicians of each to go out on a limb--and then after the U.S. got these adversaries all working together in mutual benefit-- pulled the rug from under them, embarrassing every government that had trusted the U.S., not just the IRanian. E.g., after the French were finally talked into joining the deal, adding thousands of jobs and billions of dollars to their economy in auto sales, they were skunked by Trump. Cutting deals with the U.S. is very risky now, because who knows when we get another MAGA president.

You are ok with rocketting Mexico, an attack on an ally and a violation of their sovereignty. "We bombed Columbia" only means the U.S. military was working with the Columbian government, with its permission. Espers point was that the Trump team wanted to attack Mexico unilaterally, with no comprehension at all of the international repercussions. That is what "the West" sanctions dictators for doing. Fair to say, here, that Trump's knowledge of foreign policy--international laws and norms--is roughly the same as yours. 

Just nonsensical to claim Trump gave Ukraine Javelins to show him tougher on Putin than Obama. Congress did approve the sale, but Trump stipulated the missiles couldn't actually be used against the Russian backed separatist forces Urkaine was then fighting. Why doesn't that look like a favor to Putin, whom he also helped when he held up aid to Ukraine to get a campaign favor from Zelensky?

Your knowledge of North Korea also seems to go no farther than Trump/Hannity definitions of success; "what no other president had been able to do" disguises what a diplomatic victory the summits were for Kim, while the U.S. got nothing. He announced he would begin testing missiles and nukes again in Dec. 2019. That is long before Biden. So far no president has really been able to control his nuclear program; what is different in Trump's case is not only that he did so much for nothing in return (e.g., canceling joint military exercises with SK because Kim wanted him too), but he allowed Kim to establish multiple diplomatic connections in a manner which will make sanctions all that harder to monitor and enforce. But you think this a "win" because you don't care if Kim "visits" other countries.

"Gimme a break" means, I guess, that a Maga coup is no big deal. People should get over it and get back to supporting the chaos president who trashes rule of law, to make liberal heads explode.  That is really the thread that holds all your points together--rule of law and democratic norms are not goals of governance, but interference with AUTOCRATIC norms and policies which favor dictators. Knowledge of diplomacy and the consequences of bad policy are just so much "BS." 
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Roe vs Wade vs SCOTUS legitimacy - Dill - 12-04-2021, 02:37 PM
RE: Roe vs Wade vs SCOTUS legitimacy - CJD - 12-07-2021, 11:51 AM
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