Expanding the SC aka The end of democracy

[Dill]

(06-24-2022, 12:21 PM)basballguy Wrote: You're saying "Trump can't win without cheating" which is what Trump said "Biden can't win without cheating".  Why is it ok for you to make that assumption but not for conservatives (or Trump) to make that about Biden?

You're saying by claiming Biden cheated and challenging the results (because he thought the same way you are now) he was cheating instead?

So if Trump gets elected, it's because he cheated?  Not because Biden is quite literally one of the worst presidents we've ever seen?  He's so bad his approval rating is now lower than what Trump's was after the same amount of time.  

If things stay status quo, there's no way Biden wins (if he runs).  The only way democrats would have a chance would be with a totally different nominee.  

Most would agree that, at the most general, rhetorical level, Biden/Dem charges of Trump/Repub election fraud are mirror images of Trump/Repub charges of Biden/Dem fraud.

You'll find that most of the false equivalences floated in this forum are rhetorical comparisons--e.g., "Trump refused to concede, but so did Abrams!" That's why courts don't remain on the rhetorical level when judging such charges.

Right now there is considerable evidence that Trump tried to "cheat" in the 2020 election, and it rests on video and voice recordings, emails, memos, and documents like counterfeit lists of Trump electors. And in both 2016 and 2020 he was calling the election "rigged" ahead of time.
So it is not unreasonable that, should he run again, we can expect him to repeat the same tactics. 

Since Biden did none of the above, there is no Biden/Dem mirror image at the level of evidence, facts, etc. So there is no ground to assume that Biden/Dems tend to fraud, while there is ground to assume Trump does. This is why it's not "the same" if Trump/Repubs accuse the Dems of fraud.

If Biden and Trump run in 2024, and Trump wins, it won't be because Biden was a worse president. Trump was worse by all traditional measurements, and will be far worse if he serves again. If he wins it will be because enough electors in the right states put party over country and rule of law to make that happen.