07-13-2022, 05:47 PM
(07-13-2022, 05:05 PM)Dill Wrote: You are slighting the qualitative measures for quantitative here. The 49 people referenced here does not include any deaths from 2017 to present: the Pittsburgh Synogogue (11 dead), the El Paso shooting (23 dead), the recent Buffalo shooting (10 dead), that's 44 in three years. Ignoring attacks since 2017 that don't rise to the level of "mass" but kill at least one, like the Monsey Hanukkah stabbing and the Boogaloo killings (2), the Powey Synagogue killing (1) and the Aztec school shooting (3) and the Jefferson town shooting (2) that's more than 53 AND way more than three a year for 5 years. This does not include foiled bombing attempts which would have killed many more.
Very fair to add them. Let's look at just that time frame then. 10.3 deaths a year. That's still an average week or two in Chicago. So, again, it's definitely a problem that law enforcement should be concerned with. But is it the grave threat it is frequently represented as?
Quote:And what about the white supremacist involvement in the Trump coup attempt? That's pretty far from "fringe" when you are working with a sitting president and his political party.
I've stated many times I'm not following the hearings. Exactly what white supremacist are you referring to here?
Quote:The threat is not just about four or five people killed per year, or even 10 or 20. It's about a growing authoritarian, violent trend, with a voice on Fox News amplifying WS replacement theory. All Chicago gangs combined do not have that clout.
The vast majority of the instances listed were lone wolf attacks. There will certainly be copy cats, especially from people who share those views. I've heard the replacement theory attack many times. I've seen clips that Tucker has been accused of making that argument. The replacement theory is that Jews are intentionally attempting to eliminate Caucasians through mass immigration and "race mixing" (their word not mine). Carlson has argued that Dems do not stop illegal immigration because they benefit from it politically as new immigrants tend to vote Democrat. Shockingly enough, this was a commonly stated position on this very board, well the old board at least, stated without a hint of racial animus.
Quote:So I will "act" like this is a major threat, as we move towards midterm elections and impending disruptions in the wake of "voter integrity" laws.
Well of course you will. But you also mitigate, excuse and downplay Islamic terrorism, which has killed vastly more people that white supremacist terrorists within the same 2000-2022 time frame. Hell, even if you remove 9/11's massive causalities, and why would you since we're talking about a time frame that includes it, Islamic terrorists still have white supremacists beat. Pulse nightclub shooting in 2016 killed 49 people. Fort Hood shooting in 2009 killed 13 people. San Bernardino shooting in 2015 killed 14 people. the 2017 NYC truck attack killed eight. That's 84 and I haven't begun to exhaust the list and I'm leaving out the over 3,000 people killed on 9/11. So you'll forgive me if I take a bit of a jaundiced view of your perception of what is important or not in this regard.
