10-year-old rape victim denied abortion in OH

[Mike M (the other one)]

(07-17-2022, 05:11 PM)Lucidus Wrote: I used the word evil to specifically describe not allowing exceptions for rape and incest. 


Thanks for providing the links.

My issue with a first trimester cutoff is that a 3 month old fetus can't survive outside the womb because their lungs and other vital organs aren't developed enough. If the fetus can't be considered reasonably viable, it can't be considered to possess right to life. 

The fetus usually doesn't start processing sensory stimuli at the cortical level until sometime around the 24/25 week mark, according to the consensus of research done on the subject. Consider also that the brain doesn't start directing chest compression or diaphragm movement until the second trimester. Finally, factor in the rates of survival and health risk. A fetus born at 28 weeks has about a 90% survival rate and only a 10% chance of serious long-term health problems, as compared to say a 24 week old fetus who only has about a 50% chance of surviving and even if they do, more than 40% will have health issues, many of which can result in life-long problems.  

So, it seems to me that the most logical compromise would be 20 weeks, as it would be generous to both sides; allowing the pregnant individual 5 full months to make the choice to abort or not, and granting the fetus right to life even though it isn't yet reasonably viable. 


Of course, every cell is alive. Human life is very different than human being. Your fingernails contain human life. They are not human beings. Those are two very different categorizations. 

How can a zygote possess personhood if it's capable of splitting in a manner that produces twins, for example, which replace the original single organism with two distinctly individual ones? It cannot already be a human being itself, or its status as a human being would simply cease to exist after splitting into twins, triplets, etc. -- because it ceases to exist. 


According to this logic, using your definition of "know" -- bacteria, cancers and viruses would all be living beings. 

I disagree with your 5 month option.
98-99% of abortions are done in the first trimester. So it makes perfect sense so use that as the guide.

Viable???? We are barely considered reasonably viable at the child stage? So by your definition mothers should be able to abort their children up to what age?

Finger nails are DEAD cells, no purpose in this conversation other than a distraction.

The Life cycle of a human being starts with fertilization, has various stages then ends with death. it's not that complicated. You are trying to over complicate it by trying to add philosophical terms to limit/define make it fit for your beliefs. A convict in Jail has their personhood taken away, does that mean they are no longer a human being?

Look it's the way our reproductive system is designed, the whole process from start to finish, if you got a problem with that, take it up with God, or who ever you think designed us, it is the way it is, and beyond our abilities to change. 

Cancer cells are alive, they grow and multiply, problem is they don't die like they should.
Viruses don't contain ribosomes, that is what is needed to produce proteins independently, they also require a host in order to turn it into a virus making factory.
Bacteria is a living cell. It is classified as a living organism, but it does not evolve into a human being.