07-21-2022, 01:19 PM
(07-20-2022, 02:48 AM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Been a couple years since i really looked, i know it was a very high number that abort in first trimester, still stands as my cut-off. 5 months is waaay to long, pregnancy is half over and a body has developed. Aborting at this point would have a much higher chance of the woman having psychological issues than if it's done earlier (that is just my opinion). My wife had our baby pre-maturely at 5 months, tiny little thing but outside body was well developed, just the insides (lungs, etc) weren't done. She was and still is our daughter, and not a blob of cells.
The fingernail you see consists of dead cells. The underneath is constantly pushing the dead cells out. Not overly sure your point vs trying to compare it an embryo, which is living and growing.
For the last time, Personhood is not science. It is a heavily debated philosophical term used in law and politics to try to set legal terms for citizenship, protections, liberties etc, but STILL NOT SCIENCE.
And FYI, a group called the Personhood Alliance, claims that Personhood starts at fertilization. So there you go, more proof that it is a philosophical term where everyone has their OWN definition based on their own interpretation of stop/starting points along the Life Cycle of a Human Being.
I'm not confusing the Life Cycles of a human being at all, it's very linear, cycles can't be skipped, unless death happens before you make it to the next cycle.
Wait? What? Life cycle of a vehicle??? Are you saying it starts as a blob of metal and then grows into Bumblebee??
LOL couldn't resist, but it's just the process we all go thru. Why do people go crazy over seeing their little blobs on ultrasounds? It's simply in a stage of development we are not visually used to, but it's still a human being.
I don't think we are going to change each others minds and no point continuing to try.
You've said yours, i've said mine, we are just going to have to agree to disagree and stick to finding a compromise that pleases both sides.
Just like how you feel about religion being involved in politics and lawmaking, i feel philosophy should not be involved in science.
If you ask someone a science question (no matter where they are in the world) the answer should be identical.
yessir. preach.
philisoshical mumbo jumbo don't have no place in facts. i kinda feel bad because its obvious the education system failed him. we need to do a better job of making sure people know the real science and facts in our schools. good job trying to help educate though.
