08-01-2022, 01:29 PM
(08-01-2022, 01:15 PM)Nately120 Wrote: True, but I'd still say this is another area where the GOP is more on-point with their messaging and the legitimization of the conspiracies. When you see the messages the Fox News hosts sent and how quickly they went from "stop your followers" to "he won't stop them...time to say they're not his followers" you have to admit their spin machine is scarily effective.
It's all so legitimized on the surface and if you even care to look below said surface....well, believing this is what is expected of you so just play along until you get it.
Yes, it is more likely to appear on Fox than it is MSNBC. Of course, that doesn't stop shows like The View making blatantly false claims about organizations supporting Nazis.
(08-01-2022, 01:16 PM)hollodero Wrote: I can see that, it's not a black or white argument. I would say that Trump world was the most brazenly open about their intentions, and one might argue that this is even worse, and more dangerous, than being surreptitious. But that's a tricky point for sure. That being said, I have my opinion about Maxine Waters (I find her horrible), but could you share a quick example of her covertly endorsing violence?
Absolutely, as I said, Trump is much more blatant about it, probably because subtlety is a characteristic he entirely lacks. As for Maxine Waters;
I don't think that calling for protestors to get "more confrontational" after a summer of arson, looting, murder and assault is anything less than a call for more violence. As I said, she's maintaining the plausible deniability, but that means less than nothing to me.
Quote:The maybe clearer difference I would see is that most Democratic politicians (at least I perceive it that way) say that violence is not acceptable, including from Antifa or BLM. I know Biden did so time and again. A scary big part of the GOP can not bring themselves to say that about the Capitol storm.
Eh, they say it out the side of their mouths while simultaneously minimizing and excusing it with mealy mouth statements like "people are upset". I put up with endless excusing of violence, and flat out lies from Dem politicians here in Los Angeles about protests being peaceful when they were anything but. Hard for me to accept this claim as true when I have witnessed the exact opposite first hand. Also, it's hard for me to accept when the DOJ is dropping federal charges against left wing rioters left and right, while two lawyers get a slap on the wrist for firebombing a police car.
https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2022-06-02/nyc-lawyers-face-less-prison-time-for-firebombing-police-car
The two attorneys appeared at a U.S. courthouse in Brooklyn Thursday to withdraw earlier guilty pleas to a charge of unlawfully possessing Molotov cocktails, and plead guilty to conspiracy charges punishable by no more than five years imprisonment.
The reduced charges represent a remarkable change from the tough approach initially taken by federal prosecutors, who had initially hit the attorneys, both 33, with serious charges that could have landed them in prison for decades.
If that isn't excusing and encouraging more violence then I don't know what is. There are far more ways to encourage behavior than to flat out say you endorse it.
