Jan 6 Hearings

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(08-01-2022, 01:29 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: As for Maxine Waters;











I don't think that calling for protestors to get "more confrontational" after a summer of arson, looting, murder and assault is anything less than a call for more violence.  As I said, she's maintaining the plausible deniability, but that means less than nothing to me.

Well, I watched the entire 6 minutes of the first video and while I am certainly not in favour of confronting admin members in restaurants and other places I do not really see anything that I can objectively depict as a call for violence. Maybe I overheard it. Not that it matters much, because your second example is valid enough. Or say it would stretch my own willingness to apply benefit of the doubt over the limit were I to say a call for being more confrontational is not a subtle call for being more violent. At the very least, she must have been aware that quite some people will interpret it that way. I say that not for you so much, but rather in regard to those that think this is totally harmless and righteous.

I would, however, argue that Trump was even worse, and not just because he was less subtle. But that is not meant as a defense. It's just, this debate started from whataboutism in respect to the Capitol storm.

(08-01-2022, 01:29 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Eh, they say it out the side of their mouths while simultaneously minimizing and excusing it with mealy mouth statements like "people are upset".  I put up with endless excusing of violence, and flat out lies from Dem politicians here in Los Angeles about protests being peaceful when they were anything but.  Hard for me to accept this claim as true when I have witnessed the exact opposite first hand.

That is understandable, I share that view. I was astonished how the protests were painted as pretty much harmless and righteous, when it was clear that they often are not. I always attributed this to a shyness to critizise anyone that is perceived to be on one's own side.

(08-01-2022, 01:29 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Also, it's hard for me to accept when the DOJ is dropping federal charges against left wing rioters left and right, while two lawyers get a slap on the wrist for firebombing a police car.

https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2022-06-02/nyc-lawyers-face-less-prison-time-for-firebombing-police-car

The two attorneys appeared at a U.S. courthouse in Brooklyn Thursday to withdraw earlier guilty pleas to a charge of unlawfully possessing Molotov cocktails, and plead guilty to conspiracy charges punishable by no more than five years imprisonment.



The reduced charges represent a remarkable change from the tough approach initially taken by federal prosecutors, who had initially hit the attorneys, both 33, with serious charges that could have landed them in prison for decades.


If that isn't excusing and encouraging more violence then I don't know what is.  There are far more ways to encourage behavior than to flat out say you endorse it.

Hm, yeah, maybe this is true. I am a bit uncertain for I do not know what the appropriate sentence for setting an empty car on fire would be. There might be a point that it is "merely" property damage and that a sentence exceeding 10 years/one decade would seem too high. But I don't know the precedents on this kind of deed and yeah, a few months sure seems too low. But I lack some information, eg. what was part of that plea deal, did they hand out more names in return, was there doubt that the case would have been airtight in court etc. These are lawyers, mabe they had a sly legal course in mind that would not be applicable for everyday folk.