09-23-2022, 10:58 AM
(09-22-2022, 07:26 PM)J24 Wrote: BS
He made the rookie team in 2018 and had a 79.9 PFF .01 percent from elite, he was one of the top 12 safeties in the second half of 2019, and he was regarded as the best Saftey in 2020 as mentioned earlier. To say that his play was sporadic is flat out lie and you bleeping know it.
Yeah he had a bad year in the regular season but he bounced back in the playoffs during the most important stretch his career.
Also judging him off two games where he has only been targeted three times. That is clearly not enough evidence to make a judgment on a player.
You are hellbent on saying that Jessie Bates is elite, and you are one of the biggest PFF truthers on this board. If PFF says it, by god it is so. The funny thing about this is that PFF doesn't believe he is an elite safety. I don't know why you insist on referencing them when they don't even back you up. The classification of "elite" is an objective classification, not subjective. Elite is not an opinion, it is a fact - either you are, or are not. Since you are a huge PFF fan, we will use them to classify Bates. Different people are going to have different ideas of what constitutes elite, but for me, I believe it is the top five players at their given position. Sometimes that can fluctuate, but that is an objective definition of elite that I like. So, let's see where Jessie Bates has graded in overall PFF grade since coming into the league. I am using a minimum snap count of 50%, the filter they allow you to use in their stats page.
2018 - 11th overall, 14th in coverage, 18th in tackling
2019 - 47th overall, 39th in coverage, 53rd in tackling
2020 - #1 overall, #2 in coverage, 37th in tackling (Genuinely an elite season)
2021 - 31st overall, 26th in coverage, 36th in tackling
2022 - 29th overall, 31st in coverage, 8th in tackling
Okay, so Bates average rank since coming into the league is...
24th overall, 22nd in coverage, 30th in tackling
Bates has absolutely not proven himself to be an elite safety. He had one elite season, much like Andy Dalton in 2015 (which Whatever has already pointed out) but that does not make him an elite safety, at least, not by your standards. That's the funny thing to me, is you keep referencing PFF as your source and they don't say what you think they do.
I don't care if he made All-Rookie team, that isn't elite.
I don't care what he did in the last eight games of 2019, that doesn't make him elite.
I don't care what he did during the playoffs, that doesn't make him elite.
To be elite, you have to have consistently high level play, and Bates has not done that.
