10-21-2022, 04:11 PM
(10-21-2022, 03:50 PM)hollodero Wrote: I mean, you are belittling Harris' intelligence. Not that I have an issue with that, I myself happily belittled Dolad Trump's intelligence a thousand times, but in this case I find it tough to claim one apparently can do it to one person and not to the other. As if were a provable fact that one is smarter than the other.
True, but I'm doing so based on my admitted perception of her. I'm not stating it as factual, even though I have a hard time understanding anyone who hears her speak not coming away rather unimpressed by her intellectual capacity. But, I don't think Harris is unintelligent because she has different opinions than I do. Is that too fine a distinction to matter? Maybe, and I'm sure that would depend on the perception of the person reading this.
Quote:Which I'd sure deem appropriate in some cases, eg. I'd be shocked if anyone disagreed with the notion that both of these women are probably smarter than Herschel Walker. But that's a different sort of obvious.
Oh, dear god yes. I literally couldn't stop wincing at him during the debate. I actively dislike Warnock, but he's absolutely a more intelligent man than Walker.
Quote:Not to be too adversarial, I will defend your bringing up this Willie Brown incident. If it's indeed fact and not just rumours, than it absolutely can be legitimately brought up, including with the inference that this speaks to a character flaw.
Oh, it's most definitely a fact. Not even Harris disputes it. As I said, I have way juicier tidbits I could share, but they're all purely anecdotal. I will simply say she was infamous in law enforcement circles for being a dedicated climber who literally would stab their own mother in the back if it helped her career. I have no doubt what I'm about to say is true of many politicians, but Harris is not a good human being. At all.
Quote:I personally slept over that issue and now come to the conclusion that I don't find it all that utterly disqualifying. I would guess she probably faced quite some disadvantages for being black and a woman, had to learn that it's not always about qualifications, but also opportunity, luck, and especially networks and connections. She was ambitious, professionally qualified, possibly looked over for dubious reasons already, and took the chance to take a short cut. Most people climbing the political ladder probably do, one questionable way or another. Eg. dirty deals in backrooms to secure money or endorsements or dependencies or whatever, all the political trickeries, aren't all that morally superior.
I could not agree more. Oddly, some people don't seem to grasp how the patronage of a very well established and powerful person can really catapult a person higher than they deserve to go at that time. There was a higher up in my department, a good guy who was one rank ahead of me at the time. Solid worker, smart and capable. He caught the eye of our new boss and literally jumped three steps in two years, landing at one of the top spots in the department before that head of the department left. The same is true in politics, getting noticed by the right person and having them throw their weight behind you is a necessity. The difference between Harris and the gentleman I mentioned is that he is rock solid and she is hot garbage. Even so, you'd best believe people still grumble about his being fast tracked despite his being highly competent, so you can imagine how people view the incompetent who benefit in similar ways.
So yes, you are correct and I wouldn't even being to argue otherwise. But as you also stated, it's more than fair to bring this up and doing so does not make one a sexist or racist simply because Harris is a woman of African and Indian descent. As I stated in a previous post, those labels are thrown about to silence criticism and the speaker in general and it always seems to be the same folks hurling them.
