Congrats Tomlin

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(01-11-2023, 11:31 AM)BengalYankee Wrote: Why am I defending your guy on a Smack forum?

I assume it's a trauma response.  

(01-11-2023, 11:31 AM)BengalYankee Wrote: Like I said I hope he quits or gets fired and then the real fun begins as in Pittsburgh Steelers Pre-1970. 

I'm not calling for him to do either.  I just acknowledge he has many faults that come to a head in the playoffs.

(01-11-2023, 11:31 AM)BengalYankee Wrote: So you blame Tomlin his first year for his first round loss, but the next year when they won the SB you don't give him the credit? You know what you sound like right?

I literally said he took the same team to the playoffs, lost and then won a Super Bowl.  I did not deny him any credit for that.  I was pointing out that with that same team he went 9-7 after the Super Bowl and missed the playoffs just like Cowher went 8-8 after his win...with mostly that same team.

(01-11-2023, 11:31 AM)BengalYankee Wrote: Pig Ben was horrible in his SB with Cowher with a passer rating of 22.6  9/21 for 123 yards and 2 interceptions.
Pig Ben was decent in his SB with Tomlin with a passer rating of 93.2  21/30 for 256 yards   1 TD 1 interception

Aye.  I mentioned Ben was more experienced under Tomlin.

(01-11-2023, 11:31 AM)BengalYankee Wrote: Tomlin regular season 0.636    8-9 postseason   overall  0.625
Cowher regular season 0.619   12-9 postseason overall 0.619

Yep. Despite combining the two, Cowher had the better playoff record w/o the kind of teams that Tomlin had.  

(01-11-2023, 11:31 AM)BengalYankee Wrote: I see you slyly did not answer my questions who currently in the NFL is a Great head coach, the one SB win Andy Reid? Is Sean Payton 1SB win?
Is $100 million dollar coach Gruden 1 SB win?

What about John Madden 1 SB win right? 
I happen to like like the Old Raiders and their culture/fighting. I know one Bengal fan here whined about Tomlins culture.
As the greatest Owner of the NFL said "Just win baby"

I don't get a vote for the HOF.  I believe Tomlin will get in.  And when he does they'll go on and on about how he had this streak of non-losing seasons.  that streak isn't a bad thing...it's just overrated IMHO because it hasn't translated to anything in the postseason.  

I think Madden is overrated too.  

He had a super short career that was wildly successful as far as winning percentage goes, and he had the unfortunate case of coaching when there were a couple dominant teams in the league in his conference that he had to play in the playoffs.  If not for injuries the Steelers had he may never had reached a Super Bowl.  But I think he gets a lot of fluff because people "liked him" as an announcer.  

But lets look at the names you listed:

Andy Reid - Regular season: 247 138 1 .641 Playoffs: 19 16 .543
Never missed the playoffs more than two years in a row.
Only five (5) one and done in 17 appearances (with two different teams) and counting.
Longest streak without a playoff win (one and done/DNP) - 6.  Same as Tomlin.

Sean Payton - Regular Season: 152 89 0 .631 Playoffs:9 8 .529
Missed the playoffs three years in a row once.
Two (2) one and done in nine appearances.
Longest streak without a playoff win (one and done/DNP) - 3

Jon Gruden - Regular Season: 117 112 0 .511 Playoffs: 5 4 .556
On the verge of missing the playoffs for the 4th straight year before he resigned.
Two (2) one and done in five appearances.
Longest streak without a playoff win (one and done/DNP) - 9 (before he resigned)

Of those I think Reid is a great coach, Payton is about as good as Tomlin, Gruden is NOT a great coach even with a SB win.

And the "a win is a win" crowd means nothing to me either.  When the Steelers started 11-0 a few years back I kept telling everyone it was a false record and the team's lack of growth and improvement would catch up to them.  A 1-4 run later and they were one and done...again.

(01-11-2023, 11:31 AM)BengalYankee Wrote: So who if not currently, but recently are Great HC?s

I would say Belicheat is, but also he is nothing without Brady. 

Recently, I would give it to the three Bill's.

Bill Walsh = Yes
Bill Parcells = Yes
Bill Belicheat = Yes

I can't argue with that list.  

But to sum up I think Tomlin is good.  Players love him and will do whatever he tells them.  They want to win for him.  I just don't believe he is great.  His assistant coach hires are bad, his time management is bad, he doesn't make adjustments in game, etc.

The things he is NOT good at show up in the playoffs more.  Sometimes the players will to win overcomes that...but that doesn't make him a great coach, in my opinion.