01-14-2023, 10:20 AM
(01-13-2023, 09:32 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: As I pointed out, pretty much every QB has had a losing season, and with Ben you can only find one.
Yeah, but he did that under Tomlin. Ben’s great, but he’s not even close to being in the GOAT conversation. I don’t think he was good enough to carry a mediocre or even slightly above average coach throughout his career. None of the all time greats did either, and, while Ben’s on that list, he’s not at the top of it.
The point is that football is the ultimate team sport. Countless first round QBs have turned out to be duds, not necessarily because they didn’t have the ability, but because they got drafted by terrible teams with terrible leaders. To a man, the great QBs all benefitted from a strong supporting cast with good leadership. Ben’s no different.
(01-13-2023, 09:32 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: No, not at all. But Ben not at his peak is still better than the majority of NFL QB's, especially of late with the overall lack of talent at the position right now. If you had to win a single game, with the players in game ready condition, what current NFL starters would you take over Ben? The list will be shorter than you think.
If you’re talking late-career Ben, the list is not that short. Burrow, Mahomes, Allen, Rodgers, and (until this season) Brady all jump to mind immediately. And there’s probably a few other guys who will make the list once we see how their careers pan out.
