01-14-2023, 03:16 PM
(01-14-2023, 10:20 AM)JS-Steelerfan Wrote: Yeah, but he did that under Tomlin.
No, he did it in Cowher's last year.
Quote: Ben’s great, but he’s not even close to being in the GOAT conversation.
I agree, he doesn't belong in the GOAT conversation, nor have I ever said he did. He is a HoF QB, and I don't think that's disputable.
Quote: I don’t think he was good enough to carry a mediocre or even slightly above average coach throughout his career. None of the all time greats did either, and, while Ben’s on that list, he’s not at the top of it.
You essentially just said Ben is like every other top tier QB in this regard.
Quote:The point is that football is the ultimate team sport. Countless first round QBs have turned out to be duds, not necessarily because they didn’t have the ability, but because they got drafted by terrible teams with terrible leaders. To a man, the great QBs all benefitted from a strong supporting cast with good leadership. Ben’s no different.
I completely agree that football is the ultimate team sport. I would also say that out of all the positions on the team, QB is by far the most important. In fact, no other single position in any other team sport comes close. Honestly, the only position even belonging in that discussion other than QB is goalie in ice hockey.
Quote:If you’re talking late-career Ben, the list is not that short. Burrow, Mahomes, Allen, Rodgers, and (until this season) Brady all jump to mind immediately. And there’s probably a few other guys who will make the list once we see how their careers pan out.
We're talking about right now, so you can cross Brady off your list. So you have four definites, and I agree with all of those. Honestly, look at other QB's. Would you take Jackson over Ben in a high stakes playoff game? I don't think I would. You certainly wouldn't take Mayor McMessagge. Hebert probably, and some others. Point being, I'll bet you there are at least 20 starting QB's in this league that you'd still take Ben over, today. Two things about that, it shows how good Ben was and, more accurately, it shows how poor the talent at the position is league wide right now.
