America First=Seccession

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(02-22-2023, 05:06 PM)basballguy Wrote: oh my, where to begin......There's a lot in your post that smells very much like an r/antiwork mentality.  Maybe it's just coincidence but I'm going to avoid deep diving with you just in case that is your mentality here.     


Assuming you're serious here, do you really think the president, regardless of party, would/should veto a bill that passed at the senate like 96-0?  That's mighty strange if you do.  



I'm not sure you (or this author) realize a huge chunk of this stock market is built on the back of retirement/pension accounts (something the author in this article fails to even mention while trying to say "derp, they're bailing out corporate America").  Who's retirement/pension accounts?  Ours, duh.  You damn well better expect our politicians (regardless of party) to protect it.  

Here are a couple POVs of mine that may help if we further this discussion:

• I think the shutdowns were stupid.  I think the shutdowns were an overreaction started by liberal leaning leaderships across the country which ended up influencing the world.  Cities led by democrats (even in red states) began shutting down very early march.  The first states to shutdown entirely were blue states.  
• I think all the COVID relief bailouts were stupid but necessary once it became clear what the damage was from these shutdowns.  I separately think the CARES Act response was poorly managed by both parties across the country.  
  

Separately, i think it's a bad faith argument when using statistics from the Covid pandemic to improve your argument.  Things like unemployment, national debt, budget, jobs loss/create are all inflated due to covid and the covid recovery.  You should know this already.  

First, we didn't know what we were dealing with when it came to the novel Coronavirus, so we errored on the side of caution.  Cities and then countries in Europe began shutting down long before we went into full lockdown.  


Yes, the Senate voted 96-0 for the Covid bailout packages.  The Senate was controlled by the GOP, and the executive branch by Trump, so are you suggesting the buck didn't stop with them?  Why were we sending bailouts to companies domiciled in foreign countries?  In pointing this out just like in 2008, when it come to bailing out the Corporations and investor class the GOP is the first to hand out free cash, and then turn around and want to blame all the inflation on the Democrats and pretend they had nothing to do with it.  It’s GOP hypocrisy at its finest!  Obama even caught Hell for what the Bush admin did when they were they ones who lifted the Glass-Steagall Act allowing investment banks & insurance companies to start trading derivatives and investing in non-investment grade securities. And commingle with the commercial banks.

Do you think Trump's interference with Fed Chairman Jerome Powell was right? I'm really waiting for the rationale on this one.

It is not a bad-faith argument to use stats from the Pandemic, or even before, b/c the GOP had both houses of congress from 2016-18 and the Senate from 2016-20, and their spending patterns were no different than that of any Democrat. The argument can be made it was worse even before covid b/c Trump engaged in expansionism instead of being conservative and paying down our debt.  The amount of corporate welfare the GOP gave to corporations and the top 5% while trying to convince the average American they were helping them was total BS.  

The illustration below is before the pandemic and you can see the trend and Trump's well ahead of any Democrat in only 4-yr in office per the US dept of Treasury stats.   I think we can both agree Trump wasn't a fiscal conservative, not interested in paying down debt only leveraging debt, he was an expansionist and that's the way he's always run all his businesses and lead them all into bankruptcy.  

Also, explain the conservative stance on the 2008 "To Big to fail-TARP bailouts"  and how that was remotely conservative. 


Also, r/antiwork is kinda like wokeism, something I've never heard of until today, a right-wing fear-mongering term and tactic to label a once-center-right republican into placing them into a socialist category.   Nice try, but sorry you're dead wrong!