The Trans Movement Just Hit Home.......

[BFritz21]

(05-02-2023, 03:15 PM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: My general stance towards all trans (and similar) topics is "if it doesn't affect me, I don't care what people do or say." Transgender people view gender as a social construct (which it is) and are not comfortable with the expectations, aesthetic or otherwise, set upon them by society based on their biological sex. To me, that's fine. If you want to identify as a woman, take drugs or have surgeries to physically conform more to the female gender and participate in society as a woman, I have no problems with that, as it has not yet, nor do I expect it to, affect me (or anyone else. This isn't just a me centric belief, it extends to just humanity in general).

I think, deep down, people are so upset about the transgendered topic for a few reasons:
1. They've been told to be upset about it by people who want their vote/money/viewership but are not offering anything of substance in return, so they instead choose to activate people's impulse to anger. Often using anecdotal "fear mongering" stories that don't have any basis or statistical evidence.
2. Disgust and homophobia (like, a person who is afraid that hot chick they picked up at the club is "actually a guy" which makes them gay for being attracted to a "guy!")
3. Good old fashioned appeal to the depravity of the younger generation and "modernity". Every generation has become more liberal when it comes to sex and sex related topics. In the 20s, women wouldn't interact with the opposite gender except in certain circumstances and certainly not in casual, social settings (drinking at bars etc), which made the flappers disgusting. In the 60s, you wouldn't sleep with someone that you aren't married to, which made the hippies disgusting. In the 90s, you wouldn't sleep with someone of the same gender that made gays disgusting, etc.

All these reasons are bad reasons to pass laws against a group of people, in my opinion.

So I'd apply the same thinking to this. Whether I personally believe what they feel is true and genuine is immaterial. So, while I may find it somewhat odd if someone says they "identify as a wheelchair bound" person even if their legs physically function properly, I would still be against passing laws against this person. Restricting access to wheelchairs or something like that...

I have not looked deeply into this since it's such a small group of people (who I suspect are only being written about to trigger the anger impulse in right wingers like in point 1 above), so I am open to be swayed that this is detrimental to society in some meaningful way but overall I revert back to "live and let live."

So you think it's ok if I'm denied needed services or on a waiting list for something like a mechanical wheelchair (and I can't leave my place until I get it) because someone that identified as disabled is on the list ahead of me?

We had to wait years to get a handicapped van and a chair lift to the basement and, by the time I was approved, I had already moved into my dorm in college. Keep in mind that was 4 years later since I had to repeat my sophomore year.

What about something like handicapped parking? You think it's ok for someone to take a handicapped spot and force an elderly person or someone that's disabled to walk a long way because that person identifies as needing it?