The Trans Movement Just Hit Home.......

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(05-04-2023, 10:55 PM)michaelsean Wrote: That’s not conservatism. Conservatism is about stability.  And you are acting like it’s the same people. I have a lot of conservative in me, and I don’t pretend I think women have the right to vote. I’m not the people who thought they didn’t. Just like you aren’t the liberal of the early  twentieth century who thought women had the right to vote but likely thought being gay was a sin.  Or opposed abortion or thought black people were second class citizens.

As generations turn, it obviously is different people, but within a generation you'll see the same people drop item A and go after item B. In 2015 (honestly, I cannot believe it was that recently, Jesus), Republicans were virulently against gay marriage. Now? The same general group of politicians have just...dropped that talking point and moved onto trans people. Maybe they, in the back of their heads, still oppose it. But it's not really a viable talking point nowadays, so they probably just don't bring it up at all.

There obviously was some turnover, but many of the stalwarts remained. Hell, of the 4 judges that voted against Obergefell v. Hodges, Roberts, Thomas and Alito are still on the Supreme Court. Scalia died shortly after, but it's not like this was decades ago. It wasn't even a single decade ago.

Conservatism is about stability. The stability of the rights and freedoms as they exist at any given time. They want as few changes to the status quo as possible. It was conservatives who were against the abolition of slavery. It was conservatives who were against women's right to vote. It was conservatives who were against the right for black people to vote etc. They aren't the SAME conservatives. They weren't all "republicans" and, perhaps, we didn't even call them conservatives (nor did we call the other side progressives or liberals). Words change over time, but for each of these items, there were those who fought for more freedoms and rights for a given oppressed group, and there were those who fought against more freedoms and rights for a given oppressed group. 

If you were to bring an abolitionist back from the dead and a civil war general back from the dead, who do you think would most likely identify with the progressives of today and who do you think would most likely identify with the conservatives of today (granted, the civil war general would think both parties were WAY too lenient towards the "inferior race" but would certainly enjoy hearing about the southern strategy that Republicans employed for so long).