What is Masculinty

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(05-15-2023, 05:30 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I do find your comment on the absence of discussion of transgender men interesting.  Why do you think they generate little to no conversation?  Why aren't we referring to biological man as inseminating people, like women are birthing people?  We aren't we hearing about transgender men dominating men's sports, using men's restrooms or men's locker rooms?  This is an excellent topic of conversation.

I'm taking an overly simple look at it, but it always seemed to me like men dealing with perceptions of sexual aggression from other men is a triggering point.  We've always had that comedic aspect of straight men accidentally going into a gay bar, or inadvertently hitting on a trans person.  The notion that gay men are leering at you the way you leer at women is pretty triggering, and then there is always the idea that you're going to be duped into a Crying Game-style scenario.

Men have a hard time being treated by men the way they as men treat women.  I'll admit I've been asked by women if I was gay and it was more of a thing to laugh at than anything, but the times when gay men expressed interest in me I felt, even as a relatively open minded liberal type, like I had to get angry and express that they needed to back off.  It's a bit humiliating to admit that, but that's reality.

I'd imagine the prevalence of domestic violence as well as the fact that the most likely person to kill a woman is her domestic partner would indicate that sexuality and violence are pretty linked in the male population.  Gay men find you attractive, and a trans M to F could lead to a situation where you inadvertently express sexual interest in a biological man.  Triggering stuff for many, sadly.

Lesbians and women who transition to men aren't on your radar and don't make you emotional because there is no sexual component to it (that involves you, the only type you care about), I'd assume. 

(05-15-2023, 05:46 PM)CKwi88 Wrote: The world would be a lot better off if instead of focusing on "what does it mean to be a dude" or "what does it mean to be a woman" we just nailed down "what does it mean to be a good person?"

The definition of "masculinity" is like any other subjective quality, it's fluid and has changed throughout history. 

It is rather amusing how we either can't or won't define stuff anyways.  Doing yoga for an hour is more strenuous than sitting on your ass and drinking beer, but I bet we all know which one is perceived as being manly and which is totally ghey chick stuff.  Side note, I recall during the post 9/11 era a lot of toxic masculine dudes having a hard time squaring that women were joining the armed forces while they sat on their barstools and talked about how much ass they'd kick if they "had to go over there."

I knew one guy who went so far as to say the US Army wouldn't stand a chance against PA hunters.  Fun times.