What is Masculinty

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(05-15-2023, 08:41 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I actually get where you're coming from and don't totally disagree.  The key difference here is that you've never seen sympathetic coverage of a mass shooter before that one.  This person murdered children and you actually had people defending them or trying to make them sympathetic.  I can't think of a single other such incident in which the response was even close to this.  Honestly, I found it nauseating.  As someone who's seen these types of scenes first hand I can't bring myself to sympathize with the person who caused them.  I'd be willing to bet you'd feel the same, if not more similar, with the same experience.

I don't have a whole lot to add regarding the birthing people. My concern with separating trans women from women's prison is mostly in regards to sending highly feminine trans women to a men's prison simply because they have not had bottom surgery. My expectation is that trans women probably rape cis women more than cis women, but that cis men would rape a trans eoman at a significantly higher rate than trans women to cis women, so even from a utilitarian standpoint, housing trans women in women's prison is probably the best way to decrease rape involving trans people (whether victim of victimizer). If it were feasible, they'd be separated from both prisons but I bet there just aren't enough trans prisoners for that to be profitable (and, as we know many prisons are run privately for profit nowadays, which is an extreme ethical issue in itself). 

I am very sad to hear that rape is not consistently punished in prison. If anything, I'd look to solve that problem before I spent much political capital on determining where trans prisoners should go. 

Regarding the sympathy for the trans shooter, I'll just say this. 

There's a difference between an oppressor murdering the oppressed and the oppressed murdering their oppressors. 

And if you consider the two scenarios (a white man killing black and brown people out of fear of the great replacement and a trans person killing catholic people who probably put her through at least some sort of psychological trauma) one of them was likely to have experienced actual oppression whereas the other was likely to have only experienced imaginary oppression.

It's the same reason we look back on slave revolts favorably, even if the slaves acted barbarically during their revolt (rape, gruesome murder etc). But that's obviously an extreme example and it's risky to even compare to the two, lest I be accused of exaggeration. 

With that said, I only have sympathy for the trans shooter in so far as what he likely went through as a young trans man in a society that largely doesn't accept him. I have NO sympathy or belief in excusing their horrific behavior in that school, especially in regards to the innocent children that he mercilessly slaughtered. 

As soon as he picked up that gun, he became the villain, in my opinion.