06-05-2023, 04:55 PM
(06-05-2023, 01:42 PM)pally Wrote: Bull! The left wanted the states to comply with the parameters set down in Roe. as the right passed more and more, unreasonable restrictions. The conservatives on the SCOTUS were itching to get a case they could turn into a decision on Roe. Then when it was sent back to the states with the Dobbs decision, the extremist right-wing legislatures couldn't move fast enough to write rules that all but banned abortion in all cases. They are willing to let women die or suffer severe health consequences because they fail to define "medical emergency". They are forcing women to carry non-viable fetuses or ones that are destined to die almost immediately after delivery with the associated mental trauma and frankly expense that comes with it.
Despite all the rules keep in mind that ABORTION WILL NEVER EVER BE LEGISLATED OUT OF EXISTANCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I agree. It is interesting when you make the same point about gun violence the exact people saying this refuse to hear it.
Quote:For any number of reasons, many women don't even know they are pregnant at 6 weeks but even with that by far and away the vast majority of abortions are performed in the first trimester. Those that occur in the early trimester are often due to late recognition of pregnancy, delays in ability to access an abortion, and involvement of courts. Fetal genetic testing can't occur until between 15-22 weeks of gestation. Late 2nd trimester and later are always due to fetal anomalies and maternal health. Abortions are not being obtained "up to the time of birth"
The underlined and bolded simply isn't true, and even pro abortion advocates acknowledge this.
https://www.kff.org/womens-health-policy/fact-sheet/abortions-later-in-pregnancy/
Reasons individuals seek abortions later in pregnancy include medical concerns such as fetal anomalies or maternal life endangerment, as well as barriers to care that cause delays in obtaining an abortion.
You are, of course, correct that late term abortions are a tiny fraction of overall procedures, but stating that all of them are due to fetal anomalies and maternal health is not accurate.
Quote:Women shouldn't have to lie to police in order to receive reproductive care. Women shouldn't be forced by the state to put their health at risk to carry a pregnancy or raise a child they don't want
I would agree with both of these points, up to a point. Which I'll get to shortly.
Quote:Women who have money will always be able to obtain an abortion, even in a state that bans them. Abortion access is becoming another notch in the different healthcare systems available to those with means and without them
I agree with this as well. But returning to my earlier statement, I have a question. Would you support any limits on voluntary abortions, such as a three month time limit?
(06-05-2023, 01:45 PM)pally Wrote: Reid changed the rules for confirming Federal judges, it was McConnell who changed them for the SCOTUS. It was McConnell who made up his own rules on the timing of when to hold hearings...or in Garland's case not
You just confirmed what he stated. Reid changed the rules and was warned about the precedent he was setting. He ignored the warnings and did it anyways. I have made my opinion on McConnell's underhanded tactics well known, but the blame for the rule changes lies at the feet of Harry Reid. To state otherwise is partisan, ignorant or both.
