Is Bud Light Right And I'm Wrong?

[Dill]

(06-13-2023, 03:34 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Dill WroteI'm traveling this month, so it's not easy to respond to posts on time.
I thought the  issue was which side has "demons," or "more demons," per C-Dawgs post.

No, that hasn't been the topic at hand for several posts.  We've been discussing suppression of speech and violence on college campuses. 

[b]Quote:So when I responded I wasn't thinking of right/left wing protests so much as the concept of "canceling." It's often represented as some kind of "left" phenomenon, but I think shaming someone on twitter is not as serious as denying someone jobs or firing someone--the kind of thing that often is not covered in MSM media. If one can distinguish between "radical leftists" of right wing media fame and actual leftists, I think the case can be made they are subject to greater harassment than a few very prominent right wing provocateurs. The way to determine that would not be to follow emotional or trendy news coverage, but by working through the bean counting of sites like Georgetown's Free Speech Tracker, which I linked above.

Again, you're veering significantly off topic.  We are discussing the suppression of speech and violence on college campuses.  We are not discussing Twitter posts.

Er, I WAS discussing the suppression of speech and violence on college campuses. That's why I quoted your post and bolded " How many left wing speakers have been attacked or prevented from speaking at college campuses? " You appear to have shifted the topic to "protests", which is not quite the same as "suppression of speech and violence." I mentioned "demons" to retrace our steps, how the discussion evolved. That's what we're still talking about.

The mention of twitter doesn't go "significantly off topic." It's just to contrast consequences. Being fired or not hired--on campus--because of political views is  much more effective suppression of speech than a shaming tweet. The topic is still "demons" who suppress speech on campus.  If I mention that a U.S. History teacher was not re-hired (along with many others) thanks to DeSantis' "reform" of Florida higher ed, I have not changed the subject from suppression of speech to U.S. History. 

(06-13-2023, 03:34 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Quote:In any case, when assessing "demons," I'm not interested in lining up tit for tat "both sides do it."  At this conjuncture, what people ought to be recognizing is that one side's demons are the greater threat to civil peace and democracy--i.e., millions of Americans groomed to support a violence-inciting autocrat for president. The first ex president to face criminal charges--and the majority of one party separate his actions from their consequences to the degree they are alienated en masse from their own government. At the moment I do not see a more serious problem than that in our domestic politics. "Confronting extreme bullshit" on both sides just obscures this problem, delays recognition and so solution.

Once again you're changing the subject.  It would be totally acceptable for you to admit the obvious, that the left is far more censorious on college campuses and more prone to violence in that setting without conceding that the left has "more demons" or is more violent in general.  Your apparent refusal to stick to the subject at hand makes you look like you're avoiding it because you believe the results of that discussion won't be in your favor.  That may not be the case, but you're certainly radiating that appearance.

Once again, I was responding to your "ultimate point": The ultimate point is, and what many people here are desperate to avoid confronting, is there is extreme bullshit going on on both ends of the ideological spectrum today.  The only difference of substance is that one side is constantly excused by the mainstream and the other side is consistently demonized, see "domestic terrorist" parents at school board meetings again.  

Were you "changing the subject" when you referred to "extreme bullshit going on at both ends of the political spectrum" which people are supposedly "desperate to avoid confronting"? Didn't sound like "bullshit" was confined to campus, especially when you reference school board meetings. 

That's why I told you that tit for tat just obscures the larger picture and the greater threat. E.g., Republican Senators are now threatening to hold up confirmations because their Dear Leader has been indicted. Over 40% of the electorate think that indictment is politically motivated, not something Trump called down upon himself by breaking the law. They think he's above the law and people holding him accountable are the problem. That's why I'm "desperate to avoid confronting" a few scattered protests on some campus which dissipated as soon as Coulter or Yianapoulos or Shapiro left. 

And I'm not "admitting the obvious" about suppression of speech on campus while Republicans are actually "reforming" higher ed by cutting whole programs and the people who teach them. 

Finally, you've not avoided the Youtube problem by searching for protests on what you call "far left" news sites. That's not how you construct a data set on free speech suppression or protests or whatever, especially in the age of news algorithms.

Driving across South Dakota right now, so I'll have to sort this out this evening.