06-28-2023, 01:23 PM
(06-28-2023, 10:23 AM)Soonerpeace Wrote: Well the OL for Brady and Mahomes were near the best in the league. I think if our OL can rise to top 10 then we should win it all. Of course injuries play a part.
Eagles as well who went to the Super Bowl and nearly won it. Amazing we made it to the SB with what we had in front of Burrow.
Our Defense under Lou and our Kicker were big reasons for it.
Would be nice to not have to rely on this as much and not put so much pressure on the Defense and McPherson.
A top OL would certainly help big time.
(06-28-2023, 11:55 AM)Whatever Wrote: It's hard to play what if, but I don't know that Mahomes would be a slam dunk regardless of where he went.
He got a year to sit and and be groomed with what was already a playoff team, which is a big advantage few first round QB's are afforded anymore.
Looking at Next Gen Stats, he has never had a Time to Throw lower than 2.82 seconds, has been bottom five in his % of throws to targets with a defender within one yard every year, and has only had a positive Completion % vs Expected once. Throw in the fact that he was Top 10 last year in being partially responsible for his pressures and the advanced stats very much look like a guy who is slow to get the ball out, has average accuracy, and works in an offense that affords him a large number of easy throws. The fact that he is consistently Top 5 in Expected Completion % supports this.
(06-28-2023, 12:16 PM)KillerGoose Wrote: I tend to think his time to throw being so high is a product of his elite ability to extend plays. Since he has come into the league, he has consistently faced average/above average pressure (you're definitely correct that he generates pressure on his own) but bottom of the league pressure/sack ratios. He ends up getting into pressure somewhat often, either by his own doing or the OL, but he rarely ends up sacked.
I think the rest of it has very solid reasoning behind it. He works within an offense where he is able to get easy throws off and his average intended distance is roughly league average. Nothing spectacular. I think the main assets that Mahomes brings is elite playmaking ability, elite arm strength, and elite decision making. He has a great feel for where pressure is and is damn near impossible to sack, has the arm strength to make any throw from any location on the field and is good at finding the open guys/making decisions about how to attack a defense.
That's not a surefire combination, I agree. The biggest question is "how would he have done if he was thrown into the fire his rookie year" if we are talking about him going to a bad team.
Mahomes never panics and his side arm angle throws are extremely special. I think these are the 2 aspects that make him elite.
Burrow's accuracy, smarts, leadership and his killer instincts make him elite. These two QB's are also so competitive and hate to lose.
Will be a blast watching these QB's and teams battle for years. But yeah, if Mahomes went to a bad team with a poor OL like Burrow
honestly did his rookie year it could of ruined him mentally. Burrow is so strong mentally that it didn't, that is what is so impressive with
Joe Burrow to me.
