06-30-2023, 05:07 PM
(06-30-2023, 04:52 PM)hollodero Wrote: Yeah, that is the tricky part. It's probably a political question - eg what society feels is right - rather than one that can be clearly determined by socioeconomic data points.
It's just, as of now I see strong indications that being black still means a distinct disadvantage, and as long as it's as distinct as it seems to be now, I see a decent point for affirmative action. And the time to get rid of it is when it's less distinct, when the effects of generation-long wealth accumulation that was not possible for most black people are further diminished. To what point, I dare not say. I am aware this is not a satisfactory answer. I just don't think affirmative action is something to be avoided in principle under any circumstances, while it's also not a fix made for eternity.
If we're going by what society feels than SCOTUS did the right thing by them.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/affirmative-action-supreme-court-college-admissions-opinion-poll-2023-06-21/
Quote:That is definitely true and I am very well aware of that. It's unfair to that kid. But at times (maybe not in this case, sure) a greater good for many or say a society outweighs the grievances of the few. I know star trek taught me differently, but it's how I feel.
Injustice is injustice. I'd much rather find ways to lift people up without pushing others down as a consequence.
Quote:Yeah it's a minefield, I'm aware, but I have a real-life reputation for constantly stepping on those, so I don't mind. I was close to add cultural reasons myself, just didn't think it was true. And I have a hard time believing that what you assume is true. This is about people actually attending college, after all. I could see in theory that in certain cultures getting an education is frowned upon and this might deter people from going to college in the first place. But I can't quite fathom that it is ok to go to college, but not ok to get good grades there. That is a bridge too far for me. But then again, I'm from way abroad and can't possibly assess that.
I think there's a misunderstanding happening here. I was answering as to why the gap between black and white student test scores, and why the poorest whites score on par with the wealthiest blacks. Obviously education is important to someone willing to go to college, but you also have to educate yourself on the way there. So my response was solely addressing the test score gap and closeness to scores at wildly varying income levels.
