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(07-03-2023, 12:53 PM)Whatever Wrote: No, I asked what team success has to do with individual greatness.

The Browns suck.  Are Garrett, Ward, and Chubb not great individual players, though?  

It's strange that a board populated by fans that constantly lament that a lack of team success has kept a number of great individual players out of the HoF would immediately point at team success as a measure of an individual player in a discussion of current players.

Can't speak to others but I spoke to individual success for Hurts. Folks just cannot dismiss the fact that the team went 14-1 with him starting and 0-2 with him out. Ther's a great chance if Hurts doesn't get hurt (see what I did) he's the NFL MVP. While he was hurt he still missed fewer games than JC last year. 

While missing 2 games last year the kid had over 4,400 total yards of offense last year, 35 TDs, a passer rating of over 100. 

In the biggest game in his career, he had 374 total yards of offense, 4 TDs, and a passer rating of over 103.

It's OK if JC is the 2nd best player in the NFL to wear #1, but after last year 99.9% of NFL fans would give #1 to Jalen Hurts.