Believing in experts

[HarleyDog]

(07-03-2023, 04:31 PM)Dill Wrote: I was thinking more along the lines of how many lives were saved with the vaccine vs how many might have been lost without it.

If a lot of lives were saved, millions maybe, that would be a "benefit" well worth the "peoples' expense," in my view. 

I disagree. And you can argue both sides of this evenly. Being forced to take the vaccine is not worth the people's expense. For those who died being forced to take the vaccine, let's just call that what it is: Murder. And please don't argue that they still had a choice because they didn't. There would be no benefits if they quit their jobs and refused and would risk their own health to save their family.

Quote:Whether and how much of a difference the vaccine made should be the prime factor in evaluating vaccine policy, shouldn't it? 

But they didn't and still don't know. So no!

Quote:People at the Commonwealth Fund think the vaccine prevented 120 million infections and saved about 3.2 million lives.

https://www.commonwealthfund.org/blog/2022/two-years-covid-vaccines-prevented-millions-deaths-hospitalizations#:~:text=on%20our%20methods.-,Findings,million%20more%20COVID%2D19%20infections.

I'm not buying this and here's why:

Quote:To evaluate the impact of the vaccination program in the United States, we expanded our age-stratified, agent-based model of COVID-19 to include waning of naturally acquired or vaccine-elicited immunity, as well as booster vaccination. For the timelines of this study, the characteristics of five variants were included in the model, each with cumulative prevalence of at least 3 percent in the U.S., including Iota, Alpha, Gamma, Delta, and Omicron, in addition to the original Wuhan-I SARS-CoV-2 strain.

Each variant is a direct cause of the previous one. People had to keep getting shots because they were shit and ineffective. Did they figure in if the vaccine was really even needed? As much as you laugh at Hydroxychloraquine and other cheap methods, those were not figured into this study. You will say it because it didn't work. I'll say it never got the chance it deserved because Trump believed in it, so lets mislead all the people and make it bad so Trump looks bad. Special Report: Doctors embrace drug touted by Trump for COVID-19, without hard evidence it works | Reuters

Quote:Yet you don't seem very interested in that factor.

I can't tell if that last bit was a shot or not? So I won't comment.