Believing in experts

[Dill]

(07-03-2023, 05:18 PM)HarleyDog Wrote: I disagree. And you can argue both sides of this evenly. Being forced to take the vaccine is not worth the people's expense. For those who died being forced to take the vaccine, let's just call that what it is: Murder. And please don't argue that they still had a choice because they didn't. There would be no benefits if they quit their jobs and refused and would risk their own health to save their family.

I wasn't going to argue "they had a choice," I was going to argue that three million saved outweighs three deaths.

Why am I wrong to think that three dead is a better outcome than THREE MILLION dead? How does one argue the opposite "evenly"?

Also, murder requires an INTENT to kill, doesn't it? Do think those administering vaccines wanted to kill people? 
Wouldn't it be better to just withhold the vaccine, then MORE would die?

(07-03-2023, 05:18 PM)HarleyDog Wrote: Each variant is a direct cause of the previous one. People had to keep getting shots because they were shit and ineffective. Did they figure in if the vaccine was really even needed? As much as you laugh at Hydroxychloraquine and other cheap methods, those were not figured into this study. You will say it because it didn't work. I'll say it never got the chance it deserved because Trump believed in it, so lets mislead all the people and make it bad so Trump looks bad. Special Report: Doctors embrace drug touted by Trump for COVID-19, without hard evidence it works | Reuters

Do you think British, French, German and Japanese researchers were biasing their H research because "Trump believed in it"?
They weren't interested in saving lives? No one reviewing their research would notice? 

Actually, your link shows it did get a chance.  As does my link to the Lancet below.

As epidemiologists tote up the consequences of multiple studies, we see that it failed.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanam/article/PIIS2667-193X(22)00085-0/fulltext

The growing consensus seems to be that the failure is a lesson in rushing to treatments based on anecdotal evidence.

H is one of those "mistakes of science" now, as in your links above,
but it occurred precisely because people were not following scientific protocols for development of effective treatment. 

It should not be used to knock science, but to make sure science, not politics and panic, are at the front of pandemic response.

Final question: An effect cannot precede a cause. So how can a current variant "cause" a previous one?