Believing in experts

[Dill]

(07-03-2023, 10:20 PM)HarleyDog Wrote: 3 million vs 3 are not factual numbers. Throw in the correct amount of deaths it caused.

Wondering why you cannot "throw in the correct amount of deaths" since this is your claim. What is your source? 
Have you got some Fox facts? Maybe the discredited V-Damage Project? What? 

According to the COVID 101 site, as of July 23, 2021, only three people had died of the vaccine,
while over 600,000 had died of COVID. That's where I got my original claim.
https://covid-101.org/science/how-many-people-have-died-from-the-vaccine-in-the-u-s/

My Bad. By May 31st of this year, the number has tripled to NINE deaths causally related to the J&J/Jansen vaccine.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

This site also refers to those nine, but includes a list of sources, including the CDEC, debunking DISINFORMATION about the vaccine.
https://www.factcheck.org/2023/04/scicheck-no-evidence-excess-deaths-linked-to-vaccines-contrary-to-claims-online/

(07-03-2023, 10:20 PM)HarleyDog Wrote: The idea of withholding the vaccine so more would die is silly. But not as silly as forcing someone and killing them.

I’m ok with science being at the front of the pandemic. But only with freedom of choice without threats, politics or panic. More people died because of politics than anyone is willing to admit.

As for the last question, I didn’t say that. I referred to each variant was a product of the one before it.

So if you had to choose between 9 people dying because they were "forced" to take it,

and over three million dead. You would save the nine, whom you'd claim are "murdered"?

It sounds like you'd be ok with no response to the virus at all, even if it saved millions of lives, because someone who
volunteered to defend his country was "forced" to take a shot. You're a veteran, right? You KNOW that you give lots of
choices to protect the country and your fellow military when you join. 

I am quite willing to admit that hundreds of thousands, maybe a million, died because of "politics" 

--i.e., because a certain president ignored the threat for so long, because his minions undermined science and confidence in the vaccine,
because all that doubt created vast human petri dish of unvaccinated who could keep the virus an evolving threat.

Civilians were quite free NOT to get vaccinated. The political pressure came from those who saw an opportunity to undermine
science for political gain--a long term project on the right, which has greatly damaged our country.

(07-03-2023, 10:20 PM)HarleyDog Wrote: As for the last question, I didn’t say that. I referred to each variant was a product of the one before it.

Here I quote you directly: "Each variant is a direct cause of the previous one." 

That's what you said. Variant --> cause--> previous one. If that's not what you MEANT to say. Fine. I'll not hold you to what you didn't intend.

I turn rather to this: 

"People had to keep getting shots because they were shit and ineffective. 
Did they figure in if the vaccine was really even needed?" 

This misunderstand the science and the disease. To make the shots effective, people first had to get two, in stages, to properly boost the immune system.
That doesn't make the vaccine "ineffective" or "slhit."  

As if it could ever have been like a one time measles or small pox shot, but just wasn't good enough.

As with the flu, permanent immunity is not possible, especially because of the mass of disinformed people 
who protect their "freedom" by not getting shots keep it spreading and evolving into new forms.

Of course the vaccine was "needed." That's how the 3 million lives were saved. 
Have you been listening to Hannity, who was advising people they should only get
the shot in consultation with their doctors?