We are all equal again, right?

[Dill]

(07-04-2023, 01:54 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: As I have said in other threads, countering inequality with more inequality is rarely going to achieve the desired result.  As to your "SSF style" question, no, it's never ok to discriminate against others.  Sometimes it's legal and some times it's not.  But it's never "right".

Quote:Um sure. Like the protocols. 'cept I'm after "white people."  Who have never "manipulated" people of color in the U.S.

Or other white people for that matter, using race to scare them to vote right.
You caught me presuming a historical and continued white dominance of the nation's politics and higher education without a shred of proof. 

Wait, you mean the ethnicity that, until very recently, constituted the vast majority of people in this nation actually held sway over said nation's politics?  I am shocked by this revelation.  The problem with people who think like you is that they give no credit to the capability and intelligence of those who are apparently being controlled by those dastardly white people.  Non-whites are just simple rubes waiting to have their strings pulled by the white puppet masters according to your line of thought.  Also, it's interesting that you speak of white people as some absurd monolith of will and intent. 

If AA and racial quotas were "more inquality" then they did, in fact, counter inequality by including heretofore excluded minorities from schools. In your state it raised minority inclusion in the U system to the point it almost reflected CA's actual demographic distribution--until AA was discontinued.

The rest of this post is about the "problem" with "people like me," who has just provided a historical summary which explains how "color blind" admission policies can be and were used to achieve de facto segregation, and referred to the political machine behind the recent decision on AA, which was a confluence not just of Trump's extra court picks but an organized legal effort to stamp out AA and diversity which goes back to the Reagan era, when the drive to roll back of civil rights became tightly organized into a network of think tanks and astroturf organizations and well funded Congressional lobby.

As opposed to "people like you," who counter this history with impressions, vague charges with no examples or proof--i.e., faulty logic. Your implicit premise is that I am separating black and white into "monoliths," which gives no credit to the minorities who have in fact driven civil rights legislation, and assumes no "white" people sided with them or contested white supremacy. 

That the people who controlled and still control access to higher ed are predominantly white is just an empirical fact; and my stating that fact that doesn't make "whites" ipso facto a "monolith,"* any more than it simultaneously commits me to a claim minorities had no hand in winning their own civil rights.

E.g., it is in fact Asian-American groups and leaders who have worked against discrimination against Asian Americans in higher ed who are most shocked and angered by the use of an Asian group and Asian faces to represent what is primarily an effort to roll back minority gains in higher ed, to protect the white privilege eroded by civil rights policies. https://www.npr.org/2023/07/02/1183981097/affirmative-action-asian-americans-poc

So the "problem with people like me" just turns out to be an unwarranted inference, anxious projection. That's what's "interesting."  

*Especially if I said, as I did, that whites are manipulated too, as they have been since the ante-Bellum days when poor whites confused the slave owners economic interests with their own by defending the slave system. Or even today, as they are whipped into grievance by people who assure them liberal elites are "replacing" them with non-whites.