Well liberals is it time to stop July 4th being a holiday?

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(07-06-2023, 11:57 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: In order to make his main point the other countries have to be addressed as well.  That main point being that the only countries that are castigated and held to task on this issue are the ones that A. actually care about the issue and have made corrective action about it, and B. are the main destination for immigrants precisely because of the opportunities they present and their willingness to confront uncomfortable issues.


It's like having a room full of fifty criminals, all guilty of the same crime and plenty of evidence to prove it.  Two of the fifty confess and express remorse and they are the only two that receive any punishment.  He perfectly encapsulates why even people who genuinely care about this issue are sick of their nose being constantly pushed in it.

I get the last sentence, I'm not coming down on the opposite side of the argument. As for the rest, I think this is a distorted picture, as in the US actually needs not care about other nations in the world and how they deal with historic wrongdoing. This is not a global trial where one could claim to be punished more severely than other countries for the same wrongdoing and that this were unfair. We wouldn't be quite so accepting if say China claims what they did (and do) to the Uyghurs should not be redeemed or even mentioned much since other countries did even worse things to their minorities and got away with it. Doesn't make it right or excusable.

Not to mention that again, it is not a global trial, it's not the world demanding from the US to hold themselves to task, it's coming from within your own society. Who cares if 48 others somewhere on the globe don't see things quite the same way. Still can't shake the feeling that this is global whataboutism.

And what I do not get is the point with the US and other countries being a top destination for immigrants. Sure it's true and wealth, opportunities, freedom and the relative absence of racism play a big part in that, but that again is just an indicator that these countries are better than some dire places in the world, not that they are actually good enough and need to be seen as absolved for all historical sin. And one could probably argue that especially the wealth was in part created on the backs of slavery or in Europe's case, colonization, which adds a bit of a sour note to the argument.