Well liberals is it time to stop July 4th being a holiday?

[Dill]

(07-08-2023, 07:34 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I think Murray's main point is not that Western nations should be immune to criticism because, "both sides do it".  His point is that it's only western nations that are taken to task for their roles in these atrocities, while other nations warrant nary a peep of protest.  Hence, many in the west are sick of being singled out for criticism.  

Yes. “Whattaboutism”.  At least 4 people recognized it. Not you.

I.e., they recognized that holding the U.S. gov. accountable for its own actions was a "domestic" issue for Americans responsible for their own government, not for the Chinese government. Imagine if someone were arrested for stealing a car in Iowa, and Murray defended him in court by saying "People steal cars and China too! Why is no one talking about that? My client demands to know why he is being singled out when etc. etc. etc."  

Some people want school books to accurately present US history.
Others say “not unless you ‘protest’ China too!”  

Then it will be fair. No “singling out.”

When it actually comes to global history and politics, it's not clear who is “only” taking western nations to task. I’ve read 4 books on China over the last two years. I believe all “took China to task” for human rights violations with "criticisms of substance" except for one about the deep economy. How would I know about summary executions of Tibet protesters if no one were “taking China to task”?

Are there historians who go easy on Japanese wartime atrocities, or reporters who went easy on Al qaeda and saddam and ghaddafi, or who now go easy on North Korea? Looks like Murray's history is to history what push polling is to polling. It's for people who aren't very interested in history until it is linked to grievance. Even they prefer Youtube to scholarly books. That makes them easy marks for "push history."