07-11-2023, 11:16 AM
(07-11-2023, 10:23 AM)BigPapaKain Wrote: Does the father beat the child mercilessly for doing so? Or does he admit his mistake and do better going foward. One father deserves praise for taking it on himself, the other scoffed at for blaming others for his lack of foresight.
You were arguing intent. You asked why would God put the Tree there if he didn't want them to eat from it. I was refuting your argument with the alcohal question.
What you're arguing now is the fairness of it, which is different. Regardless I've already address this point in regards to salvation.
Quote:But both of those fathers aren't omniscient deities, so the comparisons don't measure up.
They do though. Knowledge of everything doesn't prove intent. Just because an omniscient father knows the son or daughter will drink the alcohal doesn't mean he intended for them to do so. You can call it neglect, sure, but it doesn't mean it was intentional for them to drink the alcohal.
Quote:"Suffer a lifetime of pain for a slim chance at eternal paradise maybe if I actually exist. Also, the price abd rules for entrqnce are ridiculous contradictions" sounds like a carrot tied to your head just out of arm's reach. So maybe nothing is too strong a word here. Bare minimum, at best.
The chance is only as slim as you want to make it through your choice to not believe.
And what are these "ridiculous contradictions"?
Quote:With no evidence of an afterlife aside from what folks who have died and come back to say (which is a lot of contradicting stuff and can be traced back to the massive influx of chemicals the brain releases on death), all we as people can do is see the misery in the world. Some folks see it and say 'there has to be a plan' - faith. Others see it and say 'the universe is chaos' - logic.
Whatever let's you make it through the day is all that really matters.
The question is being asked from the perspective that if suffering is what you want to escape then why not try to escape it?
I understand you don't believe, but you seem more concerned with accusing God of things than actually trying to believe in him and have him end your suffering.
