07-11-2023, 01:52 PM
(07-11-2023, 11:16 AM)Matt_Crimson Wrote: You were arguing intent. You asked why would God put the Tree there if he didn't want them to eat from it. I was refuting your argument with the alcohal question.
I was actually just pointing out the hypocrisy of claiming God is some omniscient being who failed to see the problem with putting forbidden fruit somewhere where it could be accessed.
Quote:What you're arguing now is the fairness of it, which is different. Regardless I've already address this point in regards to salvation.
I'm not; looking for fairness would mean trying to understand what I believe to be a fictional intent. That's like trying to say Voldermort was being fair or unfair; it doesn't matter because it's made up.
Quote:They do though. Knowledge of everything doesn't prove intent. Just because an omniscient father knows the son or daughter will drink the alcohal doesn't mean he intended for them to do so. You can call it neglect, sure, but it doesn't mean it was intentional for them to drink the alcohal.
Omniscience means he knew exactly what would happen and let it happen anyway. That is 100% intentional. If I'm knowingly putting explosive materials next to an open flame, there's clear intent.
Quote:The chance is only as slim as you want to make it through your choice to not believe.
One sin or one thousand, the stain remains. Pretty shit odds
Quote:And what are these "ridiculous contradictions"?
Do you want exact quotes or talk about the differences between Old and New Testaments?
Quote:The question is being asked from the perspective that if suffering is what you want to escape then why not try to escape it?
Because there is no escape on the mortal coil. Chaos only ends with oblivion.
Quote:I understand you don't believe, but you seem more concerned with accusing God of things than actually trying to believe in him and have him end your suffering.
I'm not accusing God of anything anymore than I'm accusing Darth Vader of anything. Accusing a fictional character of anything is simply speculation at best. I'm just making talking points. At the end of the day, your faith (in general, not YOU specifically) doesn't bother me in the slightest. As long as it's not being forced on anyone against their will.
Our father, who art in Hell
Unhallowed, be thy name
Cursed be thy sons and daughters
Of our nemesis who are to blame
Thy kingdom come, Nema
Unhallowed, be thy name
Cursed be thy sons and daughters
Of our nemesis who are to blame
Thy kingdom come, Nema
