07-11-2023, 07:45 PM
(07-11-2023, 09:06 AM)Matt_Crimson Wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong but this sounds like predestination doctrine which I wholeheartedly reject.
The idea that God has predetermined everything just doesn't sound logical to me.
You said "preferred reality" but I question this. I don't understand why allowing one thing to exist over another means you prefer that. Would one argue that having a cars gas tank close to empty is preferable to a full one? No, but people drive around with close to empty gas tanks all the time. Not because they prefer that but because they allow it to be a reality.
Sure, God is allowing us to choose to drive around with almost empty gas tanks, but I wouldn't say that's what he prefers simply because he allows it and knows omnicsiently that we will have an almost empty gas tank.
See but again, the problem I have with the argument is in the bold. When you say "what he hired them to do" are you saying to sin? Or to have free will? Because yes, I would agree that he hired us to have free will (in a limited sense of course) but he did not hire us to sin. Now that might sound contradictory. How can God give us free will but also demand obedience?
Well as I mentioned in a separate post, complete free will is a fallacy. Complete free will can never exist because it is a paradox. So the next step is to limit it but still allow for some freedom. You can liken it to someone bending there arm. You have the free range of motion (free will) to bend your arm as far as you like, but at some point you have to stop before your arm painfully breaks.
My ultimate point being that free will is always going to have limits. It's just that obeying God has further restriction on your free will, but God still allows you to act freely within a set capacity.
Yes, I believe could have excluding any contradictions.
But I would argue that you only knew the shooter would do it because you have knowledge of the free choice they would make. Not that you have knowledge and that knowledge causes the free will action to take place. It isn't that the shooter can't escape the choice because God knows it will happen, but instead because that is ultimately the choice the shooter will make. Taking God out of all of this, are we all simply bound to fate and every choice we're making right now is unchangeable simply because it's part of the universes current time line?
thank you for keep owning this guy. hes one of the worst on here. doesnt know anything about God or the Word or Gods ways. it gets embarassing watching you keep destroying his points. hes just lie dill an gino and pally. doesnt have any logic points or good arguments. just spouts nonsense thinking if he make it sound smart someone might believe him. just like those other ones do. keep up the great work defending God and the Word. bless you
