We are all equal again, right?

[Dill]

(07-11-2023, 02:21 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: '''Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: "Why would people with a “low opinion” of minorities want to bring them into a top law school?"
To assuage their "white guilt" and make them feel better about themselves.  I see this behavior all the time.

Quote:No "behavior" is described here.  So how are you "seeing" an internal mental state?  
You can't get there just by watching some people you don't like ("LEFTISTS!") help others.

A behavior is absolutely described, when taken in context with what is was responding to.  Also, who said I didn't like those people?  Some of them are well meaning, but they're blind to their prejudices.  Most are not cognizant that what they are doing is as much, if not more, to make themselves feel better about their "privilege", as to help disadvantaged people.  Also, I encounter many "leftists" who are very genuine in their desire and motives in this regard.  They are, unfortunately, a minority, but they certainly exist.

Um, no. "I see this behavior all the time" is not a description, especially you are claiming to just see people assuaging white guilt.
That's not like me just claiming I saw a number of people kayaking down the Madison river last week. It's more like me claiming people go kayaking because they think they are better than people who go rafting, and I've seen HUNDREDS of people kayaking--like that is more proof.

My wife's cousin "sees" messages from Jesus in everything from thunderstorms to a change in grocery prices.
MAGA faithful "saw" election fraud everywhere during 2020. But their examples failed in court because judges could not "see" it too.
For what you "see" to be evidence, you have to 1) describe the behavior in question with enough specificity that others can agree
they are seeing it too. And 2) you have to be able to exclude other possible motivations, if you are trying to connect behavior to internal 
states.

What I am looking for is not what you claim to see inside people's heads, but some type of outward behavior that I could also see if I were standing beside you. Did you hear a "liberal" say that minorities are naturally not as smart as whites, as opposed to merely lacking opportunity? Did one say "I just do this to feel better about myself"? Did you discover a Klan hood in the trunk of liberal during a traffic stop? That could be a basis for claiming liberals are the real racists. From what, specifically, are you deducing such a bleak and negative conclusion about people who help minorities? 

You have said that "leftists" assume minorities have less natural ability, without proof other than just "seeing" it.  That's why I thought you didn't like those people. You've ascribed racist motivations to them.  According to my "tortured logic," people are more likely to want to help minorities if they think they have equal ability but not equal opportunity. How do you deduce from this your claim of "racist" motivation? That they do help minorities doesn't establish anything beyond good will. What can you add to prove nefarious motives beyond the fact that you see them helping? 

(07-11-2023, 02:21 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Quote:So why are they the villains in your personal civil rights history? Why do you impute to them the belief in minority inferiority traditionally held by those who oppose minority admissions and AA?

Who said they were the villains?  You can do a good thing for a selfish reason and still be doing a good thing.  Of course, selfless motivations are clearly more laudable.  As for your second point, I impute it because I've directly witnessed it, hundreds, if not thousands of times.  Off hand remarks, observations, statements.  I can't tell you how many times I've been at a conference on these types of subjects and heard amazingly racist things come out of leftist's mouths.  It's actually a joke between my best friend in the department (a black woman who went to Howard), and I.  We count how many unintentionally racist things are said by white leftists and then compare our best examples.  We never fail to have numerous ones to choose from.  Sorry though, no scientific study here.  

Racists aren't "villains"? But to continue the call for demonstration--

Instead of just telling me some still unclear phenomenon has happened "hundred, if not thousands of times," provide some of those "offhand remarks, observations, statements" and "amazingly racist things."  The CRT folks have studied liberal racism quite a bit, including the very common "black friend" trope (can't be racist if you have one of those). So establishing that liberals can be racist isn't new, it's already done by the actual left, and isn't clearly connected to a claim that people who work for greater educational access for minorities do so because they think minorities are inferior in ability, i.e., racially inferior.

That's what you claim, right, and without evidence? Those "subtle leftists" in post your #153 think minorities have less NATURAL ability? 

With all those examples between you and your friend, surely I can get something--four examples maybe, racist things that have come out of "leftist" mouths? And are the liberals  you see "at conferences" the same "leftists" educational activists you say think minorities lack natural ability? Otherwise, I really have no idea how you are reaching your conclusion that racism motivates white people to help minorities, especially when better explanations are nearer at hand. I don't know who really counts as a liberal for you, or a "leftist" either, as you deploy the later term Fox-style, expansively and unevenly. 

Examples would go a long way to fixing these unclarities.