08-23-2023, 10:54 AM
(08-23-2023, 09:23 AM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Sorry didn't see you talking about that in this thread when you were asking for Effectiveness. I simply provided that they are effective and i tried to chose a non-partisan bias to provide you the info. Figured if i did that then there would be little room for arguing it's from FOX NEWS or where ever even if it said the same thing.
If they are that effective in urban areas, then they would be a deterrent in non-urban areas as well. Not as effective as the the higher populated areas, but still would slow it down. The goal is two-fold, use the walls to deter drug traffickers and funnel the people seeking asylum to certain check points so we have better control over those coming in.
Also not all Urban areas along the border have walls, and in some cases it's nothing more than poles in the ground to deter vehicles, which does nothing to prevent people from passing right on thru.
Also we do have some natural barriers as well, but there's nothing from stopping people from making a raft and floating across the Rio Grande and then entering the US. Put a wall there as well on the US side and well... where do they go now?
We could spend days arguing this, but point blank, I have family and friends that come here the right way and because of all of these Illegal immigrants the line is exceptionally long and wait time can take several years to get a Green Card. Coming here legally shouldn't take that long. Those trying to get Green Cards are unable to legally work for several years. They need to be able to work and feed their family legally as well. The ones coming here legally shouldn't be punished because of those coming here illegally and clogging up the system.
The wall is only going to be a band-aid and is not going to be a solution. May it slow things down some? Sure, maybe somewhat. The cartels make quite a bit of money funneling people into the U.S., though, and with a wall it is likely they will build more tunnels to go underneath it. These people are desperate and they are going to find a way, even if it is slower or more dangerous.
If we are really wanting to discuss a solution, then it needs to be treated as a humanitarian crisis. These people are fleeing their countries for various reasons - extreme poverty, violence, you name it. The U.S. would need to work with its southern neighbors in order to solve those problems and then you would see the illegal immigration numbers dwindle. That is, genuinely, the only solution. I know several people who immigrated here illegally from my travels throughout South America. In those occasions, they simply bought a flight and "missed" their return. This is a very large chunk of the undocumented population, roughly 45%. The rest of them were either smuggled in via a point of entry, or, yes, crossed via the Rio Grande or through the desert or some other manner.
The effectiveness of a wall is going to be spotty and is not a long-term solution to the issue. That doesn't necessarily mean I am saying "don't build it" but I also think many people have unrealistic ideas of what the wall would do.
