08-24-2023, 10:13 AM
(08-23-2023, 01:26 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Gotta start somewhere right? Having that attitude just defeats the whole purpose as there is NOT a one answer to solve the problem, it's a cumulation of things that will need to be done, and nothing we do will ever be 100%. The amount saved in the long run will pay for itself via people that come here illegally and have kids here, which makes those kids USC's and since their parents can't report an income, makes them a eligible for government assistance. It will take several years to start feeling/seeing some good results from this one move. Once the wall is done, people (from other countries that were willing to risk coming here illegally) will hear about it, and it will become a psychological deterrent as well.
Going over or under is not a valid reason to cancel the wall, make them go over or under, the point is don't make it so easy they can walk or swim across. It will take them time to go under and we can use our drones to spot where they appear to be exiting and then get after those spots to shut them down. That's just part of an on going process that will have to be done to keep up with it. It's not like we are incapable of finding tunnels and then sealing them off. There will still be drones in the air monitoring if they start going over. If they are targeting certain areas then we can put up a facility nearby to allow for faster deployment.
We have been sending money to those other countries and tried developing them as well. It's not enough OR their own is corrupted and it's not getting to the people that need it via jobs etc. We might be a top Dog in the world, but just how much we can do effectively IS limited til we get what we can do running effectively.
The system is also not always correct on those that leave the country. Not all airlines report names properly. So that system needs an overhaul as well, but things take money and time. Once it's overhauled, we can start making harsh penalties on those that overstay, ie Perma-Bans so they can never come back once they leave or get caught (unless they can prove they left in the slotted time frame). There's also legislation that can be done, such as change Jos Soli to Jus Sanguinis. That alone will is a major deterrent and should start seeing results immediately after it's done.
I don't have an unrealistic view to the wall being the only thing we do and then we do no more. It's an ongoing dynamic that we will need to keep updating and changing over time. But it's a good start.
To be clear, I am not advocating to cancel the wall. I am moreso claiming that I have doubts it is going to be as effective as many have claimed it to be. This isn't necessarily pointed at you, but is more of a general statement. I also want to say that by "going over", I am not claiming that they wall climb it, though there are certainly those who would. I am meaning flying. My hunch is that cartels would start utilizing planes to smuggle people into the U.S. or more people would purchase flights and not return. I don't really have any issues with your view personally. You seem to understand that a wall isn't the end all, be all (which is certainly a view I encounter often) and that the issue is complex. That's really all I can ask for as I am not an expert in this area and only know enough to understand that it isn't a simple issue to counter.
