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(08-29-2023, 01:52 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I actually got it from the Atlantic, in the following article.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/08/jacksonville-killer-wanted-everyone-know-his-message-hate/675155/

He was in possession of an AR-15-style weapon and a handgun; he left manifestos about his hatred toward African Americans; he was wearing a tactical-style uniform, as if going to war. 

From the underlined.  Maybe they didn't release the entire manifesto, as I can't find it either.  In this instance the point still stands, as we have zero idea what is in the TN shooters manifesto.  Of course, The Atlantic had to make this about a broad ongoing plan.

His actions yesterday were not just a hate crime. They were a performance for all the world to see. This is the age of mass shooting as production. And we misunderstand what is happening if we see this as a play with only one act at a time.

Quite the Qanon style conspiracy statement, no?  This type of "journalism" is common for shootings in which the shooter was white and motivated by race.


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I actually think he said it to calm people and assure them this is the act of a lone individual.  Interesting that left leaning media has used to to claim the exact opposite.



You are absolutely correct, which IMO makes it even scummier.  You're trying to score points of dead children, all the while making no effort to contact the victims families.  Contrast that with an in person visit to Buffalo.


Well, he visited Buffalo, Uvalde and Monterey Park in person.  He did send his wife to TN, I guess those dead kids weren't important enough for him to come.  My main point is that these shootings are used to further an agenda.  It's always gun control, as you repeatedly get the bald face lie that guns are the "#1 cause of death for children" which the media consistently repeats without calling it out for the blatant lie that it is.  And if the shooter is a white male then we'll definitely get the evil "white supremacy" angle as well, even though such incidents account for less than 1% of gun related homicides, likely less than .05%.

For those that care, the following site is an excellent resource on actual gun statistics.  Everything is sourced.

http://www.gunfacts.info/gun-policy-info/children-and-guns/

I just posted the link to the page on the lies about children and guns as well as school shootings to address my statements above.

I disagree with your interpretation of that particular sentence in the Atlantic article. I think mass shootings keep occurring because they are publicized. The whole "world stage" thing is just this author's way of saying "These shooters are doing this because they know it will make the headlines, which will cause people to talk about them and their reasoning etc." I don't consider that a conspiracy theory to think these shooters want attention. They write those manifestos for a reason. And that reason is to be noticed and talked about. 

Now...the problem with that is a journalist is saying it while talking about the shooting. I've long held the belief that mass shootings would decrease in occurrence if the shooters and their reasoning were not even identified. Just say "a person shot 3 people. Here are the three people. The shooter's identity and ideology are not important."

But then, that goes against human nature. We yearn to understand why things happen, which leads to us inevitably investigating deranged shooters' histories, which uncover social media posts that reveal their ideology and they even write their own manifestos etc. It's part of human preservation to understand why a person would murder 3 strangers and tie that back into whether you are in danger of something similar happening to you.

I think the much more interesting discussion is WHY these shooters are motivated by race. Why would a 21 year old white man in America hate black people to the degree that he'd gun down 3 strangers? Why would he take his own life just to get this small ounce of what he perceives to be "justice" for whatever ills, cultural, societal, personal or otherwise, he attributes to black people?

For the trans shooter, we know they went to that school, so a lot of people speculated that they were, in some way, mentally scarred by their upbringing involving that school and went insane and shot the school up. There was a personal link to the school that was easily identifiable and from there, motives were assumed. We won't know for sure that that is the reasoning, but the link is easy enough to make. If a man kills his wife, you figure she probably did something he didn't like. If a worker shoots up his job, you figure they probably hated the people they had to interact with every day. If a student shoots up the school they are currently going to, you figure they hated the people they were around all day every day. There's a personal link between the shooter and the victims, no matter how vague or tangential it is.

But why does a 21 year old white man hate black people? Why strangers? It makes no sense to a logical individual. So you pull on that thread.

But then, that often devolves into a question of what media he consumes and whether that media is propaganda and/or meant to generate a response such as fear or anger (to keep the clicks coming) and now we're back to the capitalism angle.

There's no way to discuss things like this without slinging mud one way or another. The talk that you consider an "agenda."

As far as the gun control discussion, I am not well versed enough in the topic to counter anything on that website. It seems like they did their homework, but I'm not about to dig into a bunch of studies to verify they are interpreting the data correctly. I personally find it unusual that this is a uniquely American phenomenon (I know there have been the occasional mass shooting in other countries, but nowhere near the scale as in America), but I could chalk that up to any number of things. Without data behind it, it would just be speculation.

On the Biden point, politicians use any and every opportunity to score points. Nothing is sacred to politicians.

That's literally what the Republicans in Tennessee did. They attempted to expel these three people from Congress because they thought it would be politically advantageous to do so. It just so happens, they misread the situation and it backfired on them immensely. And Biden took advantage of that misjudgment.

That's what makes them politicians and there's a reason nobody likes politicians. They all became politicians because they wanted to make some change to the world (even if that change is just to assist in their own enrichment haha) and that involves influencing people to side with you or your allies.