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Forget Politics, are we heading for a recession
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(09-16-2023, 05:02 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Strong vs Weak, you see it all the time. Illegals can't go to the police (fear of deportation and if it's a gang member then retaliation from the gang) and gangs will take an advantage of that.

That type refers to the people that don't have good intentions. 


Visa overstays are a problem as well, i haven't ever said they weren't but it's not an excuse to not stop illegal crossings. 
Get those under control and then you can focus on overstays. Gotta keep taking those baby steps, it's not a problem that can be fixed overnight. 
Already have said that we need to get all Airlines and Crossings updated with better reporting as some actually do leave but it's not always updated in the system.  And i have no idea why UK is the leader in overstays, guess they didn't get the memo of 1776 that we aren't a colony anymore. And some overstays apply for Aslyym which means they are safe from deportation for likely 5+ years (court time and appeal if denied). 

Illegals actually take jobs from Documented workers and USC's. Yea yea i get the whole cheap labor thing, but i think it's much more a political rhetoric than actual truth. 

Truth is we can only handle so much uneducated labor. I am curious though how Austria has become one of the most Anti-Immigrant counties out there now.
If we only had about a 3-4% immigration rate like you guys, i'm sure we could handle that, but ours fluctuates between 13-15% of our total population, and we simply don't have the resources to handle that volume.

One thing that i hate most, is when EU went thru the Muslim refugees, some countries put up fences/barricades along their borders to help control the problem, yet we get looked down upon because we want to protect our borders as well?


There's no easy way to solve that and no one will be 100% happy with anything that is done. 
Only thing i can think, is if the family has to go because of parents status, the kids can stay with a relative who are willing to take over financial responsibility for their family members or worst case, if no one will take them on, put them up for adoption. That's just splitting up families again and we all know how well the left will exploit that emotion. It's a decision the Parents made and will have to live with. Ofc changing Citizenship to BLOOD would be a major deterrent. That would require a 2/3'rds vote in House/Senate to ratify an amendment and i just have no faith in that happening anytime soon.

Part of the problem is that the US only issues 675,000 permanent immigration visas per year.  That's .2% of our 332 million-person population.  We can easily absorb far more than that.  Even increasing that number to a minimal 4% would result in 1.4 million legal immigrants.  Our overall immigration rate is nowhere near 10-15%.   Austria has a population of 9 million with far more limited liveable land so cannot absorb more than about 2-3%.  The entire US undocumented population is estimated to be about 12 million people.  And it is estimated that more than 50% of those have been here for more than 10 years

We always talk about how many are coming in but those numbers are balanced out by people voluntarily or involuntarily leaving. Many of those crossing the border really are doing it seasonally for migrant farm work.  They come and go on a regular basis.  

If you want to slow down illegal immigration the first step isn't a wall that was being breached on a daily basis.  It is making wholesale changes to our legal immigration system and making it more available to people worldwide, especially to those in Mexico and Central America.  We need to spread out those visas and provide them to unskilled laborers as well as high-earning educated persons.  We need those unskilled laborers as much as we need those techy folks.  

Congress unfortunately would rather keep immigration as an unsolved political football so each side can blame the other for the problems instead of fixing the issue.  And yes that includes getting California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas more resources to deal with the problems stemming from being a border state.  Better security measures may include strategic walls but it can't end there.  We need more human resources, more electronic surveillance, better facilities and procedures for handling asylum seekers. We need better ways of tracking people who are here on an asylum basis or on a temporary visa.  
 

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RE: Forget Politics, are we heading for a recession - pally - 09-16-2023, 08:12 PM

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