Government Shutdown

[Dill]

(09-21-2023, 10:50 AM)LSUfaninTN Wrote: Obviously they will never be our friends. But, if we stopped the funding to Ukraine, A) we save money B) we don’t give Russia and China any more unnecessary reason to be bigger butt buddies than they are C) fewer people die. Just imagine for a second that anyone other than Trump supports ending funding to Ukraine, so that you aren’t automatically programmed to hate the idea. I think you’ll acknowledge that it may be a good idea. 

A. I've already granted we would "save money" over the short term. 
    But I don't want to sacrifice principle and geopolitical position to save that money.

B. If the U.S. and Europe cede geopolitical space to Putin and Xi, why should that message to the world bring "peace in our time"?    

C. Fewer Americans would have died in WWII if we'd just ceded the Pacific to Japan. Short term, anyway.
    And they might not have attacked Pearl Harbor. In the short term.
    At the time, millions of America Firsters were of a mind we shouldn't piss off Hitler, either.

   I'm puzzled you think ignoring authoritarian aggression in Europe is a way to STOP people from dying,
   and that my only possible motivation for opposing that could be Trump hate.

   But as I said in another post, you and I are judging politics/policy by different metrics.

   So we should be talking about those metrics, maybe, evaluating them. They're what we'll be voting on in 2024.