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[Mike M (the other one)]

(12-07-2023, 10:29 AM)Dill Wrote: No. Not if statehood means what means everywhere else--autonomy and sovereign control of one's own territory.


PS I doubt if Hamas is able to "stock up" on missiles at the moment, though they may certainly re-organize their defenses. 

Which of the 3 have you not covered?
1936 with the Jews only getting 20% of the land. Jews accepted, Arabs rejected and kept on fighting.

1946 UN tried, Jews accepted, Arabs launched an all out war with Syria, Jordan, Egypt, Iraq and Lebanon. The Arab land that was set aside by the UN did indeed become occupied, by Jordan (West Bank and East Jerusalem).

Those are the two you are most likely talking about as statehood was offered to the Arabs, not Palestinians?

Palestinians were offered in the 3 below.

1967 Egypt, Syria and Jordan joined up again and attacked Israel, and got their butts kicked in what is known as the 6 day war. This time Israel took those lands from them. At this point, Israel was divided with what to do with that land. Give it back to Jordan (West Bank) and Egypt (Gaza) in exchange for peace or give it to the LOCAL Arabs that live there known as the Palestinians with the hopes that they would ultimately build their own state. Didn't really matter what they wanted to do with it, Arabs said NO Peace, NO Recognition, NO negotiations with Israel. 

2000 Palestinians were offered all of Gaza, 94% of the West Bank (with East Jerusalem as the capital), Arafat said NO to everything and launched a wave of suicide bombers. 

2008 Expanded previous offer to include MORE Land from the previous offer in exchange for peace, Abbas turned it down.


So i'm not sure how you can say the way to peace it to offer them Statehood or a path to Statehood when they've rejected it 5 times so far? Is like the 6th time going to be the charm or something?? To me it's very clear that they'd rather stick needles in their eyes than accept a 2 statehood situation. It's pretty much all or nothing for them. 

PS Yes he will stock up on missiles same as he did before.
PPS i just read today that the ceasefire was over. Didn't think it would last. Sucks, guess Hamas got the answer he needed to resume bombing