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(12-14-2023, 11:28 AM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: King David took Jerusalem and named it as the capital of Israel in 1000 BC for the Jews (and built the first Temple), before them it was the Canaanites.
Then the Assyrians came along and conquered part of Israel and laid siege to Jerusalem in 701 BC.
Then the Babalyonines came along and conquered it all and laid waste to the Temple 586 BC
Then Persian King Cyrus conquered it from the Babalonians and allowed the Jews to return. 516 BC
Switched hands several more times, Alexander the Great, Hasmonean Dynasty of Jewish Rulers, Romans, Persians again.
632 Muhammed, the prophet of Islam, died and was said to ascend to heaven from a rock in the center of where the Jewish Temple used to be. 
That's kinda clear that the Jewish were there first and kicked out???? 
1099 AD Crusades starts.
1187 AD Saladin captures it.
1517 Ottoman capture it.
1917 British Capture it.
1948 State of Israel established.
And yes, both sides have done their fair share to each other to cause the problems we have today. How many K's of words will it take for you to admit that?

I'm familiar with this history. Your conception of "sides" is rather too simple here.

E.g., only some Jews were taken to Babylon, their upper classes. The rest remained living and farming in Palestine. The land was not empty.
With the Muslim conquest, many Jews converted to Islam by the 8th century.  Today's Palestinians are a mixture of all the people who have
lived in Palestine throughout history--including Jews.

The question of land ownership in Palestine and statehood for Palestinians can't be settled by appeals to nations dissolved thousands of years ago and whose ancestors are now on "both sides" of the present conflict.

And in a courtroom--international or Israeli--the theft of land from legally titled owners in the present cannot be adjudicated by foggy historical both-sidesism.  Land taken by force in '47, or today in East Jerusalem and the West Bank, cannot be legitimated by vague references to Saladin's conquest of Jerusalem.
Present claims and titles do not legally rest on some determination of who was in Palestine first millennia ago. They rest on contemporary conceptions of law and universal human rights existing deeds. 

No one who supports existing law and conceptions of universal rights can look at the current conflict and infer that "both sides" have done their "fair share" to cause the problems we have today, when only one side invaded the country and took it by force from the people living there. The problem is not something that happened in the 7th century CE.  It's an illegal occupation going on right now. Today.

Quite a double standard at play if someone looks at this history and reframes forcible seizure of land as Palestinian refusal of statehood.