German Hostage Found Dead

[Dill]

(12-14-2023, 03:35 PM)GMDino Wrote: No one is defending what Hamas did in October.  No one.
That's a lie you've told over and over.
The discussion is about the Palestinian people and land and how they have been treated also. 
It's your own arrogance that won't let your lie go.  That and your hate for Dill.  Make you can physically threaten him to get another thread closed that you don't like how its going?
And I figured a guy who faked a character was a good choice for the slow cap in this situation. 

Yes. Someone who just joined the forum and read SSF's posts might assume some guy was actively defending Hamas
calling for "negotiation" or "concessions" or making "false equivalences" to the IDF or whatever. But there are no defensible examples of such.

So why the repeated, loud "condemnation" and drawing lines and reducing complex social events to a simple binary for clubbing others, blocking wider analysis and other viewpoints?

Since there are no examples of anyone defending Hamas, the accusation is really a kind of bank shot around the facts, 
like so many we've seen before--

People who refuse to use de-humanizing terms on any group, including ISIS, become ISIS supporters--for refusing to de-humanize.
People who disagree with SSF' views of racism are themselves racist.
If you, Dino, disagree with SSF's take on China then you are "carrying water" for China.
You challenge him and a switch flips, turning you into what he opposes. Analysis of the facts ends and its all about your character.
To borrow one of his favorite terms, this is "predictable." "Calling out" is a framing mechanism brought to every discussion
which shuts down critical analysis and turns discussion into repeated denunciation, extreme rhetoric, and personal attack of forum members.

And that's what's happening here: people who link discussion of the Arab-Israeli to the historical record in ways that disrupt IDF propaganda, are--switch on--"apologists" for Hamas who just can't criticize Muslims. Even if they have denounced Hamas and think they must be destroyed. Insistence that discussion be limited to condemnation of Hamas just decontextualizes the current conflict, reducing its causes to religious fanaticism--the kind of analysis least likely to resolve conflict and "move forward" because it ignores actual causes and preserves one side from its responsibility for the conflict.

People who are serious about understanding this conflict ought to get back to discussing its actual causes, with the goal of understanding them, and stop repeatedly twisting threads about it into the exercise of personal grievances about US politics.