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German Hostage Found Dead
(12-15-2023, 03:08 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Cite a direct "excuse" then, and a direct claim of "equivalence." Post number and thread.
How about this?
Dill wrote: Would you put it past Israel to deliberately bomb a hospital and call it an "accident"? 

I see this question, I have to wonder what the purpose of it is in a thread about female hostages being raped and killed?  Could it be an attempt to draw an equivalence of "bad behavior" between Hamas and the IDF?  Why, I think it just might be.  

That's neither an "excuse" nor a direct claim of "equivalence."  All of my responses to your post are about the internal limits on your "wondering."  

My post #45 was in response to Millhouse's comment: "Wouldn't put it past Hamas that they will round them all up and put them in some refugee hospital, and then blow it up blaming Israel." And also to Luvnit's similar, constant generation of unrestricted Hamas evil to explain civilian casualties and the like.

But I am definitely violating the unstated interpretive rule operative in their and your posts, which requires the IDF be held blameless of war crimes or criminal intent, while opening the imagination to any and all possible evil on Hamas' side. E.g. if the body of a hostage is found, there is no consideration of the possibility that Israeli bombing could have directly caused the death; it just has to be Hamas silencing victims

And yet, yesterday the IDF killed three Israeli hostages themselves, as they tried to surrender with a white flag.  
https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/16/middleeast/what-we-know-hostages-killed-israel-gaza/index.html.  
Had the first report simply been of three more dead hostages found, who knows what Hamas motives would have been spun up to explain their deaths.

Not a stretch to suppose that many Palestinian civilians in Gaza have been killed this way, but your "no-equivalence" rule blocks basic recognition of such possibility.  Reminding people of the IDF's sordid history of indiscriminate targeting and using women and children as human shields isn't to create "equivalence" but to break what is in effect an ideological constraint on discussion and encourage a more realistic assessment of what is happening in Gaza. If you lack capacity for analysis-before-blame, then of course any such analysis will just look like another style of blame.

Casting all evidence controverting your interpretive rule as "excusing" or "equivalence" is just a form of crude censorship, an attempt to shape discussion with blame rather than to encourage accurate understanding of what is happening in this new war and why.
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RE: German Hostage Found Dead - GMDino - 10-30-2023, 06:34 PM
RE: German Hostage Found Dead - Dill - 10-30-2023, 07:33 PM
RE: German Hostage Found Dead - Dill - 10-30-2023, 08:06 PM
RE: German Hostage Found Dead - Dill - 10-31-2023, 05:56 PM
RE: German Hostage Found Dead - Dill - 11-01-2023, 08:38 AM
RE: German Hostage Found Dead - GMDino - 11-01-2023, 09:24 AM
RE: German Hostage Found Dead - Dill - 11-01-2023, 09:57 AM
RE: German Hostage Found Dead - GMDino - 11-01-2023, 10:39 AM
RE: German Hostage Found Dead - CKwi88 - 11-01-2023, 07:31 PM
RE: German Hostage Found Dead - Belsnickel - 10-30-2023, 07:36 PM
RE: German Hostage Found Dead - Belsnickel - 10-30-2023, 08:37 PM
RE: German Hostage Found Dead - Luvnit2 - 10-31-2023, 12:02 PM
RE: German Hostage Found Dead - CKwi88 - 10-31-2023, 05:39 PM
RE: German Hostage Found Dead - Dill - 10-31-2023, 06:06 PM
RE: German Hostage Found Dead - CKwi88 - 10-31-2023, 08:17 PM
RE: German Hostage Found Dead - Luvnit2 - 11-01-2023, 12:26 AM
RE: German Hostage Found Dead - CKwi88 - 11-01-2023, 08:04 AM
RE: German Hostage Found Dead - Luvnit2 - 11-01-2023, 12:03 PM
RE: German Hostage Found Dead - Dill - 11-02-2023, 07:45 AM
RE: German Hostage Found Dead - HarleyDog - 10-31-2023, 12:20 PM
RE: German Hostage Found Dead - Belsnickel - 11-01-2023, 07:39 AM
RE: German Hostage Found Dead - pally - 11-02-2023, 10:14 AM
RE: German Hostage Found Dead - Luvnit2 - 11-14-2023, 06:38 PM
RE: German Hostage Found Dead - Millhouse - 12-04-2023, 09:51 PM
RE: German Hostage Found Dead - Dill - 12-05-2023, 09:25 AM
RE: German Hostage Found Dead - Dill - 12-07-2023, 10:29 AM
RE: German Hostage Found Dead - Dill - 12-08-2023, 11:09 AM
RE: German Hostage Found Dead - GMDino - 12-09-2023, 09:51 AM
RE: German Hostage Found Dead - Dill - 12-09-2023, 10:29 AM
RE: German Hostage Found Dead - Dill - 12-13-2023, 09:00 PM
RE: German Hostage Found Dead - GMDino - 12-14-2023, 01:26 PM
RE: German Hostage Found Dead - GMDino - 12-14-2023, 01:40 PM
RE: German Hostage Found Dead - GMDino - 12-14-2023, 03:35 PM
RE: German Hostage Found Dead - Dill - 12-14-2023, 05:54 PM
RE: German Hostage Found Dead - Dill - 12-15-2023, 01:20 PM
RE: German Hostage Found Dead - Dill - 12-17-2023, 02:05 PM
RE: German Hostage Found Dead - Dill - 12-17-2023, 02:09 PM
RE: German Hostage Found Dead - Dill - 12-18-2023, 10:31 PM
RE: German Hostage Found Dead - Dill - 12-19-2023, 05:07 PM
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RE: German Hostage Found Dead - Dill - 12-22-2023, 02:14 PM
RE: German Hostage Found Dead - Dill - 12-14-2023, 03:24 PM
RE: German Hostage Found Dead - Dill - 12-14-2023, 04:07 PM
RE: German Hostage Found Dead - Dill - 12-18-2023, 01:13 PM
RE: German Hostage Found Dead - Dill - 12-09-2023, 10:45 AM
RE: German Hostage Found Dead - GMDino - 12-09-2023, 11:01 AM
RE: German Hostage Found Dead - Dill - 12-11-2023, 01:08 PM
RE: German Hostage Found Dead - Dill - 12-13-2023, 09:07 PM
RE: German Hostage Found Dead - Dill - 12-05-2023, 09:43 AM
RE: German Hostage Found Dead - Millhouse - 12-05-2023, 10:19 AM
RE: German Hostage Found Dead - Dill - 12-07-2023, 09:55 AM
RE: German Hostage Found Dead - basballguy - 12-05-2023, 10:42 PM
RE: German Hostage Found Dead - Luvnit2 - 12-06-2023, 01:08 PM
RE: German Hostage Found Dead - GMDino - 12-06-2023, 01:21 PM
RE: German Hostage Found Dead - GMDino - 12-06-2023, 03:55 PM
RE: German Hostage Found Dead - Dill - 12-07-2023, 11:02 AM
RE: German Hostage Found Dead - Dill - 12-08-2023, 08:45 AM
RE: German Hostage Found Dead - basballguy - 12-07-2023, 01:55 PM
RE: German Hostage Found Dead - basballguy - 12-07-2023, 05:14 PM
RE: German Hostage Found Dead - Belsnickel - 12-07-2023, 07:43 PM
RE: German Hostage Found Dead - Belsnickel - 12-11-2023, 01:28 PM
RE: German Hostage Found Dead - Dill - 12-11-2023, 02:56 PM
RE: German Hostage Found Dead - Belsnickel - 12-11-2023, 02:16 PM
RE: German Hostage Found Dead - Belsnickel - 12-14-2023, 07:57 PM
RE: German Hostage Found Dead - Belsnickel - 12-18-2023, 08:22 AM
RE: German Hostage Found Dead - GMDino - 12-19-2023, 10:53 AM
RE: German Hostage Found Dead - GMDino - 12-19-2023, 11:08 AM
RE: German Hostage Found Dead - Dill - 12-19-2023, 05:40 PM
RE: German Hostage Found Dead - Dill - 12-19-2023, 05:58 PM
RE: German Hostage Found Dead - Belsnickel - 12-19-2023, 05:48 PM
RE: German Hostage Found Dead - GMDino - 12-20-2023, 10:07 AM
RE: German Hostage Found Dead - GMDino - 12-20-2023, 02:11 PM
RE: German Hostage Found Dead - Dill - 12-22-2023, 03:37 PM
RE: German Hostage Found Dead - Dill - 12-28-2023, 01:39 PM
RE: German Hostage Found Dead - Dill - 12-28-2023, 03:24 PM
RE: German Hostage Found Dead - GMDino - 12-23-2023, 10:15 AM
RE: German Hostage Found Dead - Dill - 12-24-2023, 01:59 PM
RE: German Hostage Found Dead - Dill - 12-28-2023, 01:38 PM
RE: German Hostage Found Dead - Dill - 12-28-2023, 03:13 PM
RE: German Hostage Found Dead - Dill - 12-29-2023, 03:13 PM
RE: German Hostage Found Dead - Dill - 12-29-2023, 02:43 PM
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