German Hostage Found Dead

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(12-19-2023, 05:59 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Shooting civilians first and asking questions later does not, under current IHL, fall "directly into the realm of accidental killing" any more than does the death of women and children forced to act as human shields or intentionally shelling a refugee camp. 

Ohhh, you were there and know exactly what the soldiers saw?  I'm impressed.  Sadly, when your enemy dresses in civilian clothing and deliberately embeds itself in the civilian populace these kind of tragic accidents are bound to happen.  You're alleging that the IDF soldiers saw civilians, knew they were civilians and thought "eff it" and shot them anyways.  This is why you rightfully face criticism for your posts on the IDF, and Israel in general.

I know an officer who shot a younger teenager.  The minor had a airsoft gun but had painted the orange tip of the barrel black.  When he found out he had shot an actually unarmed teenager he was devastated.  According to your twisted and facile logic he is just as guilty of killing an unarmed person as an officer who deliberately and knowingly target an unarmed youth and killed them.

There's your rule again--the IDF CANNOT be guilty of shooting unarmed civilians they know are civilians, whatever the facts say.

In their own reports the IDF tells us their soldiers saw three shirtless (to show they were unarmed) civilians WAVING A WHITE FLAG. The shooter says he saw the white flag, not an airsoft gun, and shot anyway. So I'm "alleging" no more and no less than what the IDF is reporting. 

It's "twisted and facile logic" to replace that flag with the fake gun of your cop analogy to pass off the shooting as an understandable mistake by good community servants just doing their job. We should respond to this as we would a cop who shot a shirtless, unarmed teenager carrying a white flag.

I'm also "alleging" that the POLICY of presuming there are "no noncombatants in Gaza" (to quote Dino's article above) and instructions to "shoot everything that moves" explains what happened well enough, and why such incidents are "bound to happen."  The IDF is constantly flagged for shooting unarmed civilians outside war zones, including wounded, unarmed children. Has been for decades. But I'm supposed to believe they are more careful in Gaza after Oct. 7, and with no journalists around to monitor them? So yeah, I do think they it more likely they thought the three were unarmed Palestinian civilians and just shot them anyway, than any other possible explanation.