Israel/Hamas War Superthread

[Dill]

(12-22-2023, 06:52 PM)samhain Wrote: I also intensely dislike Nazis and any other far right shitbag organization that regularly licks the balls of Donald Trump.  Surprisingly, or maybe not, there seems to be a bit of a strange alignment between Jew hating YPIPO and Jew-hating Muslims.  Swastikas are cool again in the most left-wing of protests.  Even a surprising number of nonwhite public figures seem willing to embrace Nazi iconography and Jew-hatred despite the obvious incongruence of other core beliefs.  How does this shit even happen?  

If the popular narrative conflict becomes Muslims and Nazis somehow uniting against Jews, then I'm for the Jews all day long regardless of tactics.  The Israel situation has never been perfect, but it beats the hell out of a world where laughably hard-right groups like the aforementioned gain public sympathy ahead of the Jewish state.  In that, I'd say I'd hope that the Israelis back off in time to conserve the perception of being sympathetic rather than oppressive.  It's likely too late, and they may find themselves regretting it.

I haven't seen any images of swastikas at left-wing protests, certainly not evidence that they are cool "again" --unless they are painted on images of Trump or similarly framed to accuse authoritarian politics.

There are non-white public figures, like Musk, who appear to support anti-semitic statements and politics, but that doesn't seem to be in defense of Palestinians. 

As far as "alignment" between Muslims and Nazis, that seems doubtful, though some right wing groups may crash pro-Palestinian protests to foment more division in the US.  Aligning "leftists" with Islamists and dictators in Muslim countries, somehow, has been a staple of the Right since 2001.

I think we need to be careful to separate the actual, race-based anti-semitism of European tradition--which is a real thing alive and well in the US--with criticism of Israeli policies--often made by Israelis themselves. It is in the interest of the current US right to conflate the two in their pro-Israel propaganda.