12-27-2023, 05:51 PM
(12-27-2023, 02:40 PM)Dill Wrote: You know you can count on me to answer serious questions directly, whether I get the same courtesy in return or not.
1. No, don't agree that Israel=Nazi Germany.
2. Protests against Israeli occupation and war crimes are generally an affirmation of universal human rights violated by the occupation and dispossession. Anti-semitism is based on the opposite.* The protestors in your images did not regard Nazi equivalences as positive. So in general it does not seem such comparisons are anti-semitic, though I'd have to judge case by case. E.g., there could be accelerationists in the mix cooking up who knows what in the way protest posters.
Thank you for the direct answer. I will ignore the first sentence in the spirit of proceeding amicably. In regard to your second answer, that finds you in direct contrast to the ADL, who absolutely consider such comparisons to be antisemitic.
https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounder/allegation-israels-actions-against-palestinians-can-be-compared-nazis
"Moreover, it can be argued that those that make the comparison between the Jewish state and the Nazis and Hitler – who perpetrated the greatest and largest act of antisemitism in world history – have not chosen this comparison innocently or dispassionately. It is a charge that is purposefully directed at Jews in an effort to associate the victims of Nazi crimes with the Nazi perpetrators and serves to diminish the significance and uniqueness of the Holocaust.
To make such a comparison is antisemitic and constitutes blatant hostility toward Jews, Jewish history and the legitimacy of the Jewish State of Israel."
Quote:A question for you now: would you be in favor of Israel dropping its "Jewish character" as an ethnic state to adopt full national, political, and civil equality for all its current citizens? It does claim to be a "democracy" after all, and its US partisans frequently defend it as the only such in the ME.
I'd need much more information, both on the alleged secondary citizens and what your proposed dropping of the "Jewish character" would comprise of. It does not claim to be a democracy, it is one. A democracy can have citizens who cannot vote, it happens here in the US.
Quote:*If we are going by the usual definitions of anti-semitism as either theologically based hostility to the Jewish religion and all its believers, or as hostility to Jews as an imagined racial community, or combinations of both. Criticism of Israeli policies which violate human rights would not be anti-semitism under these definitions.
It just seems odd to me that the protests against Israel and the casualties in Gaza are far more prominent and strident than any held during the reign of ISIS and it's far greater, and wanton, brutal slaughter of Muslims. One might be inclined to view such protests as only occurring in any significant fashion, and certainly here in the west, when Jews are involved. It does make one wonder, does it not?
