12-28-2023, 01:55 PM
(12-28-2023, 01:38 PM)Dill Wrote: A "by line" is a line containing the author of an article.
Pedantry.
Quote:Now a separate post to explain why the immaterial points above are immaterial--off topic--as far as my argument goes.
You mean more circuitous logic? Awesome.
Quote:1. Yet another Nazi analogy from the guy who insists people not use them. I'm aware of the rally you refer to, to make the wholly immaterial point that acts of protest and protestor numbers of do not validate what they are protesting. ( At the Nazi rally of your analogy there was also a "small group" protesting Nazis.) "Immaterial" because I wasn't claiming that protests/numbers validate what is protested; rather I was establishing THE FACT that many Israelis believe the IDF's callous indifference to human life is to blame for the hostage killings. My argument depends on 1) the current conception of international human rights, as embodied in International Humanitarian Law, and 2) the facts on the ground, as given us so far. If you are not addressing/disputing either of those bases, then you are not following my argument.
You like Nazi analogies, so I will consistently use them against you. All the rest is more bloviating about why your post actually means something different than what it says.
Quote:2. Hamas did not appear out of nowhere. It is a consequence of brutal military occupation, and Netanyahu's policy of supporting it over democratic opposition, and the IDF's routine disregard for civilian life, not just when fighting Hamas. But this is easy to miss if you restrict discussion of Hamas to Hamas, and not the conditions which created it. Likely the father the grieving father understands this well enough, so I don't dismiss his anger outright as "misplaced" in some stage of grief.
No, they are a result of radical Islam, which is hardly confined to Gaza or the west bank. But you recoil from any discussion on that topic so your reticence to acknowledge the obvious is predictable.
Quote:3. To address your final non-point--most of my evidence of IDF war crimes comes from the Israeli press, from historical/sociological scholarship produced in Israeli universities, and from Israeli human rights groups. These are all groups who recognize that Israel's claim to democracy does not entitle it to violate democratic ideals-- even if Hamas is not democratic in practice. All reject your repeatedly defended principle that criticism of the IDF= a claim of equivalence to Hamas. I have expressed my alignment with and admiration for these elements of Israeli society on other threads. There is no "key point" against my argument to be made by reminding me of principles which I affirm and defend in my own posting practice in this forum, and which you oppose in yours. Given that under liberal democracy, no IDF war crimes can be justified with reference to an adversary's anti-democratic practice; that is the "key point" to emphasize here.
More bloviating which does not nothing to address points I actually made.
